16-05-2001 12:00									#1
	ADC Site updated, and some random comments (new games?). Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

The ADC site has been updated. http://www.geocities.com/myrdred_ii/index.html
Some comments:
-Is Colonization or Mayhem going, or should I stick them into the abandoned list?
-My ranking list has gotten kind of old and decrepit. I caught an error today and there might be more. Please feel free to check and make sure your "score" is correct, or check the entire chart if you want- I want to make sure it matches the "finished games" page.

Also, with the close of all of these games, there is something of a dearth of games (I for one am only playing in SAS and Domination right now). I figured this might be a good place to discuss any new games coming up. Obviously there are the 3 or 4 ADCT '01 championship games. There's also the Royale game that was proposed. The 1600 map needs 9 players, and 10 players expressed interest originally, but Victor and Midshipman seem to be taking leaves soon or already, so that's not so sure anymore. Any ideas on the possible second game of Royale, and any people interested in taking the most likely vacant 9th position?

By the way, here's the original list of people who posted in the thread, feel free to post to take your name off it if you want, too.
GM: LS1
Stefu
Victor?
SnowFire
The Hogfather
Midshipman?
RUFFHAUS
Gerwald
Gibster
Du_Chauteau
hacksaw

Also, in terms of other new games, I was curious if anyone was interested in a game of Bretwalda? Dip9 was on the similiar Heptarchy map and was a ton of fun, and I've always wanted to do another British diplomacy game. I would be willing to GM the game if no one else was interested, but what I really want to do is play the game. So, is there any interest in this?
Bretwalda: http://web.libertysurf.se/baches/bretwald.htm
Heptarchy: http://web.libertysurf.se/baches/heptarch.htm (be sure to examine Hept. 4 map, only slight modifications but definitely better)
Bretwalda requires 9 people, Heptarchy 7.

Obviously this is only an idea and I don't want to shove it down your throats, so if we want to do another game of, say, Colonial Diplomacy instead, I would be fine with that as well.

	16-05-2001 13:13									#2
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CAn't we just have seven-player Royale as I originally proposed?

	16-05-2001 13:57									#3
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I would be interested in playing either of those British games - they look cool. I'm also planning to GM a game of Sengoku dip starting in the next couple of weeks, so you can put that down as an upcoming game - for anyone interested, I will post a seperate thread next week for sign-ups.

	16-05-2001 17:02									#4
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Actually, I'm not so sure if I want to GM another Royale game. I'm doing an internship in DC for the summer, and while I'd GM another game, I don't think the Royale variant is a good idea.

I don't like the Bretwalda rule of reassigning your SC's around. It's simply another version of the Silent Dip 2 fiasco in which there was a winner by 1904 or something.

Let's look around for some maps or games.

	16-05-2001 17:33									#5
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Colonization is on the "hiatus" list while I get through my hellish final exams. Once they're done with in a couple of days, I will be able to continue GMing.

	16-05-2001 18:18									#6
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Nice job Snowfire,
One question though, I see I am real close to Ruffhaus and I don't think I should be, not that I should have more points but I think he does.
You have him at 2.5, these games I know of and there might be some more,
ADCT first game solo 1.0
1600 solo 1.0
20th century .5 draw with me
12 .5 draw with Allod, stabbed me to do it.
Grey dip, I just saw he finished in it, I think 4 way
Seismic another 4 way .25

Could you review please, don't want to forget anybody's points, especially if it would put him in the overall lead.

Thanks

	16-05-2001 18:38									#7
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I was doing a little number crunching on my points and I think I am .1 higher than what you have me, small I know, but these should be accurate, see if you agree with my point accumulation

Dip 21- 5 way draw .2
Dip C - 3 way draw .33
Champ 1 solo 1.00
20th - 2 way draw .5
Alien - 5 way draw .2

Total 2.23

Please review and thanks

	16-05-2001 18:56									#8
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Well if LS1 is in DC this summer, could we have the Royale game start in the fall? Then I could also play. I like the Bretwalda map.

We could just do away with the moving of centers rules, since Royale lets you create new build sites anyways.

	16-05-2001 23:12									#9
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Hmm... I'd like to try the "It Came From Outer Space" - that is, Alien - concept again. I really enjoyed that game... perhaps on the standard map this time? Anyone?

	16-05-2001 23:34									#10
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Stefu: Seems like a moot point now since we won't have a GM for the summer at least, so no Royale for awhile.

LS1: Good point, you'll recall that I was highly against the "build anywhere" rule in SD2 myself, and the map creator acknowledges this-
However, I'm not really a fan of the idea of building in *any* centre you own: it too easily turns small advantages into big ones and makes it very hard to fight back.
However, you can only build in your 3 centers at once, and if they get captured you're still in big trouble.
My proposal would be to simply lengthen the moving period from one year to two years, so you lose the home SC for 2 adjustment phases instead of just 1. And of course the location you're moving to must stay in your control for both of the two years.
Ultimately, it will be whoever GMs the game, if it ever exists, to decide.

Defiant: Thank you! I knew those two 2-way draws were trouble, my previous correction had to with them as well. Somehow RUFFHAUS missed credit for both of those draws, and hence had 1 less point then he should. I'll be sure to change that.

As for your score, yes, thanks, my masterful math skills dropped a .1 somewhere obviously. This is why I asked people to check their scores and make sure it was right.

By the way: Does anyone remember who played Denmark in 1600 Dip?
[This message has been edited by SnowFire (edited May 16, 2001).]

	17-05-2001 00:05									#11
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Eesch, sorry about those abandoned games.

	17-05-2001 00:15									#12
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Thanks for looking the points over again Snowie and I believe it was Jason that played Denmark in 1600

	17-05-2001 00:25									#13
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I would be interested in a game of Bretwalda

	17-05-2001 10:28									#14
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Actually, Defiant, sorry, but my original calculation was right. I added up the numbers again and came up with 28.07, .1 higher than it should have been. Dip 21, you see, was half a solo for dan.te (.5) and a 5-way draw for everybody else, meaning you only got .1 point for it.

Sorry, but complain to Boshko if you want, he just kinda declared the game that kind of a draw.

	17-05-2001 17:49									#15
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That's fine, if that is how it was calculated, I am not complaining, just didn't know how he arrived at it. Thanks

	17-05-2001 19:44									#16
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Bretwalda looks cool. I'd rather play than GM though. I am currently running 3 games as GM now (Dip 51 here, T8 in the Yahoo tourney, and 754 @ Cat23), and will have to take on a fourth for the ADC tournament. So I'm not planning to GM any new games for a couple months.

	18-05-2001 09:51									#17
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Well, I would like to have another go against Snowie on a British map, but it would have to be Bretwalda; Heptarchy is too imbalanced, it's the only reason why Snowfire managed to beat me in Dip 9, honest