16-03-2004 18:18									#211
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no problemo - i can keep my hammer in suspended animation for a bit longer

	16-03-2004 19:26									#212
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woohoo ,, now we get to find out if 4th place is up for grabs !!!

	16-03-2004 21:05									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin hmmmmm... pity he wasnt figtihng me,,, i would say make it a forfeit ///

uhhh... he IS fighting you. A forfeit would make it much easier for you to claim 4th place.

	16-03-2004 21:15									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Which poses an interesting question - how do we handle it if someone drops out in the middle of a game. Not that I necessarily think Frozzy will, but it might be a good idea to specify how to handle such a scenario.

I'd say it depends on when they drop out. Early in the game or before orders are sent it might be possible to re-shuffle contestants, but at a stage like this one (and current # of players) the fairest thing to do would be to call it a 'win' for 3 pts. The disadvantage is the winner can't get a KO.

	16-03-2004 21:25									#215
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Actually, you are reading too much into it. All matches against the dropped player would not used in calculating the winner/s.

This is round robin, so everyone plays everyone else regardless. Just because you won or lost previously to the dropped player, should not impact players that have a unplayed match, hence the best solution is to drop the player from the match and remove all results involving that player.

	16-03-2004 21:29									#216
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That would cost Doc 4 points! Do it!

-Jam

	16-03-2004 21:38									#217
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy This is round robin, so everyone plays everyone else regardless. Just because you won or lost previously to the dropped player, should not impact players that have a unplayed match, hence the best solution is to drop the player from the match and remove all results involving that player.

Say player A has 12 pts and player B 10. A KOed player C earlier, while player B lost. Player C drops out, so now A has 8 pts. and B has 10.
That could cause more problems than it solves.

	16-03-2004 22:18									#218
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When is tonight for Drogue?

	16-03-2004 22:30									#219
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Starting in about an hour, I'd say. He's on GMT.

Bet he posts them later when I'm out, tonight is games night.

-Jam

	16-03-2004 23:36									#220
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Hey! No dropping my KO. Use a random choice from amongst his orders so far for the remaining games.

	16-03-2004 23:46									#221
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Drogue actually HAS Frozzy's orders now... this is just hypothetical.

-Jam

	17-03-2004 00:15									#222
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If a player drops out, I will use randomise his old set's or orders and use one of those. I think that's fairest and most in character. If someone is just late, I will either use their last set of orders (if a multiple part match) or substitute 11 in each box (if part 1).

Tabulating orders now.

	17-03-2004 00:32									#223
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Good. I'm keen to see if Jamski fell into my hackmaster trap.

	17-03-2004 01:04									#224
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code:
		W	A	Damage Done	HP (start/left)	Result
1	Doc	20	0	10		
		20	0	10	100	
	Vs	20	0	10	100	Winning
						
2	Jamski	10	10	0		
		10	10	0	100	
		10	10	0	70	Losing
						
						
1	Doc	20	0	10		
		20	0	0	100	
	Vs	20	0	0	100	Winning
						
3	Skanky	10	10	0		
		10	10	0	100	
		10	10	0	90	Losing
						
						
2	Jamski	10	10	0		
		10	10	9	100	
	Vs	10	10	0	100	Winning
						
3	Skanky	10	10	0		
		10	10	0	100	
		10	10	0	91	Losing
						
						
4	Spaced	15	5	0		
		15	5	25	100	
	Vs	15	5	37	40	Winning
						
5	Theben	7	13	30		
		7	13	30	100	
		7	13	0	38	Losing
						
						
4	Spaced	15	5	30		
		15	5	40	100	
	Vs	15	5	0	61	Winning
						
6	Captain	12	8	0		
		12	8	32	100	
		12	8	7	30	Losing
						
						
5	Theben	7	13	0		
		7	13	23	100	
	Vs	7	13	0	100	Winning
						
6	Captain	12	8	0		
		12	8	0	100	
		12	8	0	77	Losing
						
						
7	Frozzy	6	14	7		
		6	14	7	100	
	Vs	6	14	7	67	Losing
						
8	Raz	10	10	11		
		10	10	16	100	
		10	10	6	79	Winning
						
						
7	Frozzy	6	14	9		
		6	14	9	100	
	Vs	6	14	9	49	Losing
						
9	Mart	12	8	28		
		12	8	23	100	
		12	8	0	73	Winning
						
						
8	Raz	10	10	17		
		10	10	22	100	
	Vs	10	10	12	39	Losing
						
9	Mart	12	8	32		
		12	8	27	100	
		12	8	2	49	Winning

	17-03-2004 01:07									#225
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Damn, whats with all this sudden defending?

	17-03-2004 01:14									#226
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Which means the table, if things stay the same, for round three will look like:

code:
1	The Doctor	6
4	Spacius Maxiumus	6
9	Mart the Hammer	6
2	Jamski-San	3
5	Theben	3
8	The Great Raz	3
3	Skanky Burns	0
6	Mad Captain Garland	0
7	Frozzius Eventius	0

code:
1	The Doctor	27
4	Spacius Maxiumus	19
3	Skanky Burns	16
2	Jamski-San	14
5	Theben	12
8	The Great Raz	10
6	Mad Captain Garland	7
9	Mart the Hammer	6
7	Frozzius Eventius	3

As you can see, the battle for that 4th spot is still anyone's. If Skanky turns it around against Jamski, or if Theben turns it against Spaced (both very close, especially the latter) then Theben goes through. If Theben wins one or less, Skanky turns it against Jamski, and Ras turns it against Mart (a long shot, but all perfectly possible) then Ras goes through. It all rests on the last orders...

Accpeting orders for round 3, part 2...

	17-03-2004 01:16									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Damn, whats with all this sudden defending?

Or what's with all the lack of attacks?

Either way, it seems to have worked

	17-03-2004 01:23									#228
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Heh heh. I wondered when Spaced would take to the offensive.

Very interesting. Will have to consider my (potentially last) moves carefully.

	17-03-2004 01:32									#229
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Sweet, I think that Mart finally has got this thing, although I'm glad that it was after my match with him.

I'm almost tempted to let Thezbin whoop me just so he'll knock Jamski out of the competition.

Also interesting. The guys with the big weapons are the ones atop the leaderboard.

	17-03-2004 01:36									#230
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I think I deserve a spot in your summary for being close to my second consecutive unbeaten record in the prelims.

	17-03-2004 01:38									#231
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Yeah, you should add something, at least, about Doc being a ****er.

	17-03-2004 01:50									#232
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It's nice to have fans.

	17-03-2004 01:53									#233
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy I'm almost tempted to let Thezbin whoop me just so he'll knock Jamski out of the competition.

No tainted wins, please.

quote: Also interesting. The guys with the big weapons are the ones atop the leaderboard.

Yes, I noticed that as well. It seems having offensive power allows for more options than strong defense. I'll certainly change my A/D next game.

	17-03-2004 02:00									#234
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Last game I was told my 20 defence was overpowered. I switched in part to prove that it makes no difference. It's just glorified RPS. Thus, all stats have counters against all other stats.

	17-03-2004 02:08									#235
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Ah, but maybe all 20 points in one category is overpowering.

I can believe that w4nker gets zapped by the filter.

	17-03-2004 02:13									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Doc Last game I was told my 20 defence was overpowered. I switched in part to prove that it makes no difference. It's just glorified RPS. Thus, all stats have counters against all other stats.

I recall part of that argument, but how many KOs did you get with 20 armor? When you fall behind with high armor, it's more difficult to catch up.

	17-03-2004 02:21									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Sweet, I think that Mart finally has got this thing, although I'm glad that it was after my match with him.

Actually, Mart's orders have been good all the way through, IMHO. He has been incredibly unlucky in having them in the wrong hit, or his opponent happening to do a decent counter to them. Going on the strength of his orders against most opponents, he should be in the run off for 4th, IMHO.

quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Also interesting. The guys with the big weapons are the ones atop the leaderboard.

Actually, it's going pretty much according to my guess at the begining, before I knew weapon and armour stats. The Doc is a very impressive player. Spaced has seen the strategies that were used last time, and which worked, which is a definate advantage. Jamski I thought would be ahead of Skanky, on passed performace, but he had an awful first round, and Skanky is playing well. Both have balanced stats though.

It doesn't matter for each fight, in the sense that if someone has 20 0 stats, and someone else 10 10, then each of them get's a 5 bonus to attack and a 10 bonus to power, effectively. All matches are even. The only difference comes in style. If you prefer to have bonuses to attack in fights, as opposed to bonuses in defence, then go for a high attack. It's personal taste, since your opponent get's exactly the same bonuses you get in any fight.

	17-03-2004 02:23									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Doc I think I deserve a spot in your summary for being close to my second consecutive unbeaten record in the prelims.

I think The Doctor wins again is a lot less interesting than who will go through to the next round. We know you'll come in first. Only Skanky had any chance of beating you, and that was a very slim chance. Also, the summary is usually at the end of the match, not between parts, since this was just to say to the competitors what the alternative outcomes were, and what they had to do to try. In this exciting and close a finish, you need something less expected than a repeat of your earlier scores to get a right up

Also it's completely unbeaten. You've never lost a match. It would be 5 matches on the trot in you win these too though. 5 KOs if you finish them off.

	17-03-2004 02:26									#239
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quote: Originally posted by Doc Thus, all stats have counters against all other stats.

Depends on styles. Not really, IMHO. I've seen a couple of stats that with their orders, the only counters are things that are open to just about anything else, and so really dangerous to actually use.

	17-03-2004 02:28									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I recall part of that argument, but how many KOs did you get with 20 armor? When you fall behind with high armor, it's more difficult to catch up.

But it is also equally easier to stay ahead once ahead. Indeed, it is down to person style. If you want catchups to be easier, it's better to go high W, and vice versa.

Sure, you get more KOs with high W, but you also get more draws when you were winning, but both ended on 0. Many people would have won matches were there 200 HP, but have both gone to 0.