06-03-2004 01:50									#1
	Empire of Thessalonike released!!! Tired of ads?

Yes, it is released!

here is the url, i (at least hopefully) have added a link in the modpacks section of apolyton as well:

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...2448_emofth.zip

notes:

-read the readme!

-have fun

this is my second scenario (well the first wasnt really a working scen, but anyway) + i may release a version 1.1 in the future. this is in some respects something like a version 0.9, but it is fun i think as it is. i am looking forward to your comments and i hope that you will have fun playing

special thanks to:
Mathias K. (and his DAROE)
Kobra (without him the title.gif wouldnt be working!)
many others for support!

Kyriakos Chalkopoulos

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	06-03-2004 19:41									#2
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The units look really nice. Congratulations on the release, I am not able to download it and comment more right now, though.

	06-03-2004 22:27									#3
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Thank you Heresson! The map and city placement couldnt be done without having your scenario, fading lights

I am really looking forward to your own comments on my scen!

	07-03-2004 03:01									#4
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I'm going to download this right now

	07-03-2004 05:25									#5
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There was an unworking set of events, those who were about turn denonimators, this happened because the terrible civ2fw editor had a different syntax (turninterval, turn=x, instead of randomturn, denominator=x) so i fixed that now in the new file i uploaded, but i will post just the text file here as well if you already have the zip of the other files

dl this if you dled my scen before 11pm CET

this enables:

-new units in random turns for all nations apart from empire of constantinople

-ottoman threat events

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	07-03-2004 06:19									#6
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Cool! Downloading now.

	07-03-2004 14:39									#7
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Well i worked on the events even more! (i am a bit over-active with the scen these days!) so same deal, uploaded the scen with the new events, but i will upload just the events.text as well here

changes since the last version:

-the event given units appear at somewhat less freguent times

-the event given units have negative effects if killed, so the player doesnt have only advantages if he counts mostly on these units!

-ottoman threat boosted up a bit, to make the Byzantine empire (nicaea) more interesting

-new units given to empire of Constantinople and latin kingdoms through events

there is one non-event file change: unit serb knight now has a movement rate of 1 instead of 3, since 3 was too much!

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	09-03-2004 04:22									#8
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Hi again, i would like to ask if anyone is interested in reviewing my scen

however if you are willing to do so certainly download the scen again, since i made some final (for this version) changes.

these are: (although i may be forgetting some)

-new pretender to the throne events
-five reworked units
-three entirely new units
-worse effects for losing bonus units

all in all these changes make all of the nations fun to play, apart from veneto and the latin empire of constantinople. i did this because veneto had to be a naval superpower, and latin emp of constantinople is supposed to collapse sooner or later

have fun

	09-03-2004 04:33									#9
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also worse byzantine empire (nicaea) civil war events. nicaea is very challenging now

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	10-03-2004 11:16									#10
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Perfectionism has rather overemployed me this time...
anyway i will keep away from even more uploading of new versions of my scen.

final changes in this version:

-new horses (the very cool horses were found in DAROE)
-empire of Constantinople lombard civil war events + unit

-some other minor unit modifications, new shields for some barbarian units, to give the feel that they are a nation and not just part of the barbarian world

but i have to say people that i am dissapointed, i really expected you to like this scen, oh well, i can't be thinking of whether or not others like what i do, the truth is that a lot of work went into it, and i am sure the units are wonderful, as for the gameplay my main attempt was to have a balance of power that isnt easy to break, without sacrificying playability of many nations while doing that, and i think that i managed to do just that since all nations apart from veneto and latin empire of constantinople are playable and challenging (not an easy thing to do when negotiations are allowed between all apart from latin emp of constantinople)

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	10-03-2004 21:50									#11
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Also there is a new combat icon

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	17-03-2004 21:31									#12
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Downloaded it. But, strangely, something else started downloading then as well. I tried to stop it, don't know if I succeeded. I hope it won't smash my computer.

	17-03-2004 21:40									#13
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I hope that you are joking..
it is rather obvious that whatever happened in your dl didnt have anything to do with the scen file itself though (unless you see my scenario as something mystically united with the apolyton database engine & your own computer)

	18-03-2004 16:40									#14
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Don't ask me why, but my download failed and I've forgotten to bring a disc today (and the reason why I'm in internet today is your scn). I'll download it again tomorrow.

	19-03-2004 21:33									#15
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OK. Downloaded it now.

	20-03-2004 01:24									#16
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i am really looking forward to your comments play up to round 40 at least though, empire of thessalonike, bulgaria, byzantine empire are the most fun players

	20-03-2004 16:40									#17
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I've just uploaded the scenario to the SCS. Sorry for the delay.

	20-03-2004 16:47									#18
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Thank you Jasev, you rule

note: dont dl the txt files anymore, they are outdated, the most recent one is with the dl file itself and hasnt been updated for weeks

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	20-03-2004 19:26									#19
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quote: Originally posted by jasev I've just uploaded the scenario to the SCS. Sorry for the delay.

Do you play the scenarios first before you upload them? So that you know that only quality scenarios make it? It would be useful to know so that I wont dl something i wont appreciate

	20-03-2004 19:46									#20
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I hope that this wasnt a veiled attack against my scenario!

	20-03-2004 21:26									#21
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quote: Do you play the scenarios first before you upload them? So that you know that only quality scenarios make it? It would be useful to know so that I wont dl something i wont appreciate

Jonash, there are about 200 scenarios in the SCS. How could I?

I always test if they work in FW or MPGE, but I rarely play them; I have no time.

This week, for example, I've played Stefan's "Lost Paradise" (and I really liked it, though is a standard empire-building scenario) but I couldn't play the other three scenarios I uploaded. Sorry.

	22-03-2004 14:06									#22
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Alright.
No warvnos it wasnt. But I've heard criticism from people who played your scenario and thus I was unsure if this really was the kind of quality scenario that SCS might host. Ive only seen the graphics from your scenario and not played it (however the graphics are very blurry).

	22-03-2004 16:36									#23
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I think that you are seing all this civ2 business a bit too seriusly jonash. with that attitude i suggest that you dont try to make your own scenario, since it will just make you anxious. scen making is about fun, and scen sharing shouldnt be limited by elitism, that would be a bit too much i think for any game

ps: i actually like my units :P

	22-03-2004 20:29									#24
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So, you felt this was criticism?

Well at least this is some: Its childish to make such attacks on me for the postings I made. Your postings on Apolyton has overall showed a very nationalistic greece who perhaps should learn that just cuz one throw in lots of smileys in ones post, ones messages don't become much softened.

	24-03-2004 02:12									#25
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You are still a child. I sincerely wish you all the best, since no one attacks anyone if he doesnt feel threatened in his imagination.

regards,

Kyriakos

	24-03-2004 02:33									#26
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Kala ti leei autos o souidos? Ti nationalistic kai vlakeies?
itan pou itan oti na nai autoi oi skandinavoi lolepsan teleios.

loipon kyriako ego to epaixa to scenario kai to gameplay me fanike kalo. Kai ta graphika kala itan.

duo provlimata: Oi unit shields einai opou na nai. Oi mple koukides sto prasino perigrama sto units.bmp deixnoun tin thesi ton shield. Peiramatisou kai valtes stis theseis pou thes.

Kai vgale to female flag apo merikous arxigous. O titlos tou Emperor of thessalonica sto paixnidi mesa fainetai Empress.

Vasika oi shields.Itan poli eknevristikes.

	24-03-2004 02:55									#27
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Oh man, what kinda 6 year old rhetorics is this?

	24-03-2004 05:48									#28
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Lighten up guys! It's a game. Part of the "6 year rhetoric" appears to be comments about the (position of?) shield gfx and possibly a gender-switching monarch. I could be easily wrong, but my guess is that it's constructive criticism in Greek to avoid destructive criticism in English.

	24-03-2004 17:02									#29
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About right.

	24-03-2004 18:09									#30
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Well the shield position didnt have anything wrong since there arent any custom shields, so i guess that Palaiologos just didnt like where the shields were appearing, but i dont really share his view

however i uploaded the files again with some minor changes, the emperor/empress thing in particular

yes, it is a game, and everyone plays the scenarios they like anyway, so i dont see the point in thread-misery, or rather i wouldnt see it if i didnt realise that there is a sub-plot in it anyway, but that is hardly my business

as for me being a nationalist, my simple answer is: and also that some people project their own psyche into the person they are trying to attack..

my only crime is that i like smilies