06-03-2004 20:39									#1
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I sent this to Makahlua and Hercules.

I am setting up a separate thread for this because the Peace rescue is not our main objective and we should concentate on the invasion of Uni. the Peace rescue for us, (but not, of course, for the Peace) is a sideshow.

We should save Peace if we can, but realize its only a minor operation.

quote: Plan B - Rescue Plan Makahlua I understand from you communications with Hong Hu that you lost your CP. We are currently considering alternatives. Did you Barque survive? Can you move that Barque to occupy a Data Angle base (after we empty it with airpower)? We need to decide what to do before you post your turn. Mead

Makahlua replied.

quote: Re: Plan B - Rescue Plan Our total forces are the schooner (gunship)/transport pair by your lasership, and 2 rovers up on Yardarm, which are the garrison for Crossbone Way and it's former. From the schooner's position, it could get to Conshelf 57 next turn. We;ve got 42 EC in the treasury, and I can't rush anything this turn better than a scout patrol. Our only minerals there are from 2 crawlers left behind in our home territory, which I'm fairly sure CyCon will kill of at the beginning of next turn leaving me with nothing to produce with (other than disbanding our lone former up there. __________________

I suggest we tell Peace to move their schonner west towards Conshelf57 and prepare to occupy it.
We escort it with our ships there and give it air cover.

This will take up a few of our resources, but I wanted to move our ship further west anyway to bring them under the umbrella of our airpower and better protect from the CyCon navy. Plus I want them ready to assist in the Data Angles invasion.
Mead

	06-03-2004 21:52									#2
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Good idea. We take a base from our enemies and get our friends to defend it for us

-Jam

	07-03-2004 01:53									#3
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Very good plan. I think this is the best we can do. Although PEACE rescue is not our main mission I feel that we have an obligation to try our best to save them. I'll also take a look at the turn to see if I could offer any more suggestions. But I'd say please communicate your detail plan to the PEACE comrade Mead.

Oh also after they occupied the base I think we should give them a few units. I've prepared the transport, and garison and probe to give them. I think we also can give them a penetrator. But don't give them a chopper.

	07-03-2004 02:50									#4
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is realy profitable to put them in angels base, wont we have to defend them from angesl now?

i'm not sure there is another option, but we'll have to take that in acount...

	07-03-2004 07:20									#5
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This is the PM I sent Makahlua

quote: Go west. Make for Conshelf57. We have a Skyhawk needlejet ready to launch out of Rokossvkygrad. We will park it on top of your schooner to give you aircover. This should make your schooner invulnerable unless CyCon also launches an interceptor on a suicide mission. We will also kill the 1-3-1 and probe in Conshelf57 this turn. Conshelf57 should be ready for your occupation next turn. We will also have our ships behind you providing a rear guard action. We think that a Needlejet flying out of one of CyCon's western bases on a one way suicide mission destroyed your CP. You schooner we still be within 19 spaces of Pamplona and is at risk unless we protect it. Good Luck. Mead

	07-03-2004 09:15									#6
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I still wonder how did CC destroy that PEACE CP? I thought that they admitted that they bought it off using the probe?

	07-03-2004 09:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu I still wonder how did CC destroy that PEACE CP? I thought that they admitted that they bought it off using the probe?

Right now I'm not sure what they did. We'll find out once our turn comes.

If they bought it off and own it then I think we need to destroy it before it makes a base, if we can.

We may even have to sacrafice that F-15 to do it.


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	07-03-2004 09:24									#8
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I just read Maniac's PM passed by t_ras. I'm now sure that they have bought the CP using the probe. Because they said that they will retrieve it without setting a base in the island.

Perhaps you could send PEACE a brief PM just so that they don't get confused.

	07-03-2004 10:41									#9
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Preserving the existence of PEACE may be very important to future hivean military options. I shall initiate any sensible military plan that can prevent PEACE from genocide.

There are currently three distinct areas in which PEACE can contribute to our cause and investing resources into this seemingly futile rescue mission may be well worth it!

Please inform the Central Military Committee on the final details of Plan B.

Comrade Rubin
Chairman of the Central Military Committee

	07-03-2004 12:25									#10
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My understanding of the plan:

Peace this turn (2158) move the shooner to (31,45), ready to take Conshelf57 next turn. Our turn 2159 skyhawk (penetrator) from roko fly to (31,45) to provide air cover. Plasma cruiser also goes to (31,45) to join the schooner. Laser foil move to (32,46) to block the sea route. If CC has one interceptor within range, it can take our skyhawk out. However it will need another two planes to take out PEACE shooner. And I hope they do not have three planes in the range.

Also in the same turn (2159) we rush the transport, move the newly produced probe and plasma garrison to the transport.

Then in next PEACE turn (2159) the schooner take Conshelf57. Our cruiser and foil join in in our turn 2160.

In our turn 2161 our transport should reach conshelf57, transfer ownership of the probe and plasma garrison to peace. Free the foil and cruiser to patrol the area.

The CC probe ship should have already returned to their base. The CC colony pod that they just bought should not be a problem I believe. Even if they dare to set up a base, it will be easy to get rid of by a chopper.

I will PM peace with the detailed plan in case they really need to play the turn now.

	07-03-2004 12:26									#11
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Rubin, I see you are online. Please look at my plan. Do I get approve to send it out to PEACE?

	07-03-2004 12:47									#12
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Comrade HongHu, if this plan represents the best solution then it should be initiated without delay!

I believe we should prepare an airdrop class colony pod for PEACE in addition to an extra probe unit. If the rescue operation is successful we shall have a considerable tactical advantage in naval warfare.

Plan B is approved. Good luck!

Comrade Rubin
Chairman of the Central Military Committee

	07-03-2004 13:09									#13
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We can manage an extra probe unit easily. We need to look to see how soon we can get a drop colony pod to them but this is an excellant idea.

I will send a PM to the PEACE right away.

	07-03-2004 13:25									#14
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PM sent to Makahlua, forwarded to Hercules.

quote: Here's the detailed plan for PEACE mission. Please provide any feedback or different proposal. Peace this turn (2158) move the shooner to (31,45), ready to take Conshelf57 next turn. Hive turn 2159 skyhawk (penetrator) from roko fly to (31,45) to provide air cover. Plasma cruiser also goes to (31,45) to join the schooner. Laser foil move to (32,46) to block the sea route. If CC has one interceptor within range, it can take the skyhawk out. However it will need another two planes to take out PEACE shooner. And I hope they do not have three planes in the range. Also in the same turn (2159) Hive rush the transport, move the newly produced probe and plasma garrison to the transport. Then in next PEACE turn (2159) the schooner take Conshelf57. Hive cruiser and foil join in in Hive turn 2160. In Hive turn 2161 Hive transport should reach conshelf57, transfer ownership of the probe and plasma garrison to peace. Free the foil and cruiser to patrol the area. The CC probe ship should have already returned to their base. The CC colony pod that they just bought should not be a problem I believe. Even if they dare to set up a base, it will be easy to get rid of by a chopper.

	07-03-2004 13:56									#15
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I didn't notice that PEACE has already posted the turn. I was hoping they would wait until Googlie rules the CC turn is valid. Why the hurry?

	07-03-2004 20:56									#16
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Peace schooner is at (28,44).

	09-03-2004 06:28									#17
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Comrade T_ras brings up a good point.

Ok, we take the Data Angels base and have PEACE occupy it. Won't they have to defend themselves against the Data Angels as well?

I'm worried that in our good intentions, we will inevitably be the cause for PEACE's downfall.

Well, here's hoping their schooner doesn't get destroyed. We should protect it at all costs.

	22-06-2004 22:47									#18
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu My understanding of the plan: Peace this turn (2158) move the shooner to (31,45), ready to take Conshelf57 next turn. Our turn 2159 skyhawk (penetrator) from roko fly to (31,45) to provide air cover. Plasma cruiser also goes to (31,45) to join the schooner. Laser foil move to (32,46) to block the sea route. If CC has one interceptor within range, it can take our skyhawk out. However it will need another two planes to take out PEACE shooner. And I hope they do not have three planes in the range. Also in the same turn (2159) we rush the transport, move the newly produced probe and plasma garrison to the transport. Then in next PEACE turn (2159) the schooner take Conshelf57. Our cruiser and foil join in in our turn 2160. In our turn 2161 our transport should reach conshelf57, transfer ownership of the probe and plasma garrison to peace. Free the foil and cruiser to patrol the area. The CC probe ship should have already returned to their base. The CC colony pod that they just bought should not be a problem I believe. Even if they dare to set up a base, it will be easy to get rid of by a chopper. I will PM peace with the detailed plan in case they really need to play the turn now.

Is this plan prudent in plugging holes Geo?

	22-06-2004 23:24									#19
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Only a Hive boat or two on the PEACE foil's tile would have stopped the cruisers. We then hadn't enough units around to stop PEACE taking Conshelf 57.

No air units were around at the time I think, or the remainder of CyCon didn't want to spent them on a suicide run. I always thought that the Drones gave the Hive detailed base info about CyCon every turn and surely for such an important situation. It seems not.

In any case, once PEACE owned Conshelf 57, it would have been safe from CyCon. Actually, it was already safe from CyCon untill a certain chopper destroyed a certain colony pod...
Only then did I made the effort to deny Hive it's plans for PEACE.

	22-06-2004 23:33									#20
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Only a Hive boat or two on the PEACE foil's tile would have stopped the cruisers. We then hadn't enough units around to stop PEACE taking Conshelf 57.

There would be a hive boat on the PEACE foil's tile in my plan.

quote: No air units were around at the time I think, or the remainder of CyCon didn't want to spent them on a suicide run. I always thought that the Drones gave the Hive detailed base info about CyCon every turn and surely for such an important situation. It seems not.

The Drones have been giving us anything we ask. But we didn't ask I think, for at that time we didn't know if the Drones if willing to spend any effort to save PEACE.

quote: In any case, once PEACE owned Conshelf 57, it would have been safe from CyCon. Actually, it was already safe from CyCon untill a certain chopper destroyed a certain colony pod... Only then did I made the effort to deny Hive it's plans for PEACE.

Not me who decided to destroy that certain colony pod. And again why didn't you let us know you were indeed planning to let PEACE live?

	22-06-2004 23:43									#21
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Not me who was in charge of diplomaty at the time, but enough hints were dropped in the main forum I thought.

yeahyeah, I know, newbie and not earned any trust and such things...

As for the first quote, sorry. Didn't read too throughly. How comes your covering plan didn't went through? (if the cutter could reach those coordinates at least, it was on the other side of the island after all)

	22-06-2004 23:46									#22
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PEACE played before we send them the plan. Plus plan and excution are two different things.

	22-06-2004 23:52									#23
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Mmm, don't recall if 31.45 were the coordinates where I found the PEACE schooner. If those coordinates (31.45) are a bit closer (a tile or two) to the entrance of the strait, again ALL CyCon cruisers could reach it, so 3 cruisers could take a shot at it.

Should check the map to be sure, but ain't worth it at this point.

	22-06-2004 23:55									#24
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu And again why didn't you let us know you were indeed planning to let PEACE live?

	22-06-2004 23:58									#25
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You may be right.

	23-06-2004 00:36									#26
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I msut say this:

	23-06-2004 01:21									#27
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I said Geo maybe right about my rescue plan.

As for the I really think that it may be better if we have got something from you informing us regarding the cease fire. The Hive never really knew that you've reached cease fire agreement. This is of couse not only directed to you. The PEACE didn't fully inform us either.

	23-06-2004 02:42									#28
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PEACE repeatedly claimed to have no influence with the Hive and gave us the "were totaly independent" line. The level of coperation we saw made us convinced that this was not so and we acted under the asumption that the Hive was well aware of and basicaly "coaching" the Pirates.

If both factions had made a public declaration that PEACE was a vassel state of the Hive (which we told PEACE was our opinion of their situation regardless of what they told us) then we would have had 3 way negotiations.

PEACE seems to have been guilty of mutch wishfull thinking on the situation, they seem to have felt that If they were not keeping the Hive informed on their Negotiations with Cycon they could still accept the Hives gifts and still be seen as nutral. But as in all political situations its your oponents PERCEPTION of you not Reality that desides how they will react. Cycon percived a close relationship but an unwillingness on PEACE's part to admit it only deepened out suspicions.

	23-06-2004 02:58									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Impaler[WrG] If both factions had made a public declaration that PEACE was a vassel state of the Hive (which we told PEACE was our opinion of their situation regardless of what they told us) then we would have had 3 way negotiations.

I originally planned it to happen that way, but the PEACE did not want to become a vassel state of the Hive. We were moved by their spirit, so we chose to respect their will, while still do our best to help them, without expecting anything in return.

It was your misconsecption that they were the Hive's vassel state. They never have been such. If they were, we would be involved in the negotiation from the beginning. But again we had chose to respect the PEACE's choice.

	23-06-2004 03:49									#30
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If PEACE were a vassal state we would have most likely taken a much more active role in the war to defend them.