07-03-2004 11:02									#1
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Looks like a new iron curtain is establishing itself nicely, we might have an almost exactly historical Warsaw Pact/NATO lines once this thing's done...

OK, I need Turkish retreats ASAP. Once those are in I'll set a Fall deadline.

Italy (Imran)
A Mun S FA Swi-Aus
A Ven S FA Pie-Mil (support cut unit dislodged, can retreat to Apu or disband)

France (SnowFire)
F SAO S Spanish F SoG
A Pie-Mil
A Tus S A Pie-Mil
A Swi-Aus
A Mar H
A Als-Swi

Spain (Shi Huangdi)
A NAV -> AUV
A MAD -> SVE
F SOG S F WME -> ALG
F WME -> ALG (move fails)
A BAR HOLD

UK (Iain Lindley)
F Arc H
F NWG H
A Nwy-Swe
F SKA S A Nwy-Swe
F Den S A Nwy-Swe
F BHM-BAL (move fails, unit dislodged and destroyed)
A Ham-Fra (move fails)
A Ruh S A Ham-Fra
F Hol-Ham (move fails)

Egypt (GePap)
F Mor H
A Wsa support F Mor H
F Alg H
A Tun support F Alg H
F Gol->Tys
A Rom H
F Eme->Ada
F Mal->Ion (move fails)
F Nap support F Mal->Ion
F Lbs support F Mal->Ion

Turkey (Marcelo Morandini)
A (Slo) S A Aus (support cut)
A (Aus) S A Mil (support cut unit dislodged, can retreat to Cro or OTB)
A (Mil) S A Cro - Ven (support cut unit dislodged and destroyed)
A (Cro) - Ven
F (Adr) S A Cro - Ven
F (Alb) S F Ion
F (Ion) S F (Aeg) (support cut)
F (Aeg) S F Ion
A (Izm) S A Ank
A (Ank) S A Izm
A (Rum) S A Hun (unit dislodged, can retreat to Mol, Ser or Bul)
A (Hun) S A Slo
F WBS unordered, F WBS holds

Russia (chegitz)
F BRN - NWG (move fails)
F WHI S F BRN (invalid support)
F MUR - LAP
A FIN S F MUR - LAP
A SWE - NOR (move fails, unit dislodged and destroyed)
F BAL - BHM
F GOB - BAL
A MOS - BIE
A GOR - VOL
A SAX S A FRA H
A CZE S A KRA - SLO
A KRA - SLO (move fails)
A POD - RUM
A ODE S A POD - RUM
A SEV S A ODE
F EBS S F ROS - GEO
F ROS - GEO

Germany (orange)
A FRA H
F BER S F BAL - BHM

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	07-03-2004 17:49									#2
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You forgot to put the German forces on the map.

Don is also the wrong color. It should be Turkish gray, as should RUM's SC.

KRA's SC should be red, as should SWE's.

MIL's SC should be purple.

I think that's all my nitpicks.

Last edited by chegitz guevara on 07-03-2004 at 18:22

	08-03-2004 04:37									#3
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Hey! Also, I ordered my army in Tuscany to support Italian A Venice in my latest revision. Those are my old orders. The Italian army stands.

	08-03-2004 19:53									#4
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Those are the last set of orders I recieved for France, sorry.

	08-03-2004 21:17									#5
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Silly question, but since when can armies support the support of themselves? ie, A Ank support A Izm, and army Izm supports army Ank?

	09-03-2004 21:02									#6
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I asked that in the last turn.

	10-03-2004 00:34									#7
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NO, you asked if a unit can support a unit supporting a third unit, aka:

A Uggh->Snap
A Blah supports A Uggh-> Snap
A Drat supports A Blah supports A Uggh->Snap

NOw, maybe I understand why that works, but

A Drat supports A Blah
A Blah supports A Drat

????

What exactly is going on? If I attack A drat, and A Blah seperately, what the hell is the outcome? I cut btoh supports, yet btoh seemed to be holding....

So again, ????

	10-03-2004 20:17									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GePap NO, you asked if a unit can support a unit supporting a third unit, aka:

No, I asked if two units could support each other. I assume that an attack on one cuts the support of the other, so that three units attacking two countries like this would result in the defender losing a country.

edit: No, you're right, I did ask that. Yeesh, that's not what I meant! I gotta pay closer attention.

	11-03-2004 05:06									#9
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quote: A Uggh->Snap A Blah supports A Uggh-> Snap A Drat supports A Blah supports A Uggh->Snap

Nope, Drat can only support A Uggh->Snap if it is adjacent to Snap.

	11-03-2004 05:07									#10
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Retreats were held up by an email problem, they're in now.

Italy retreats to Apu, Turkey to Cro and Bul

Fall orders due Sunday 10:30 EST

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	11-03-2004 20:00									#11
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I have a fleet in Morroco, not an army

	11-03-2004 20:41									#12
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You didn't fix many of the mistakes on the map that I mentioned.

	12-03-2004 06:00									#13
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If A Par S A Lyo and A Lyo S A Par, it's perfectly legal

it just means that the two units are supporting each others hold. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Oh, also, just thought I should mention that the leaders of France, Spain, and the Federal Republic Formerly Known As Germany (FRFKAG) will be meeting in Camp Newark, Delaware, to discuss a new world order. It's about time for our pathetic armies to rise up and overthrow our near invincible enemies. We'll post pictures of the event if possible

(In other words, Shi Snowfire and I are having a polymeet tomorrow 3/12. Technically this breaks Postal Diplomacy rules, but I don't think anyone will mind )

	12-03-2004 20:13									#14
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Well, Egypt hopes FRFKAG will remeber its friends in the east when speaking to them two.....

	12-03-2004 20:14									#15
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quote: Originally posted by orange If A Par S A Lyo and A Lyo S A Par, it's perfectly legal it just means that the two units are supporting each others hold. Is that so hard to comprehend?

How can you hold AND support?

	12-03-2004 21:30									#16
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That's what I want to know.

	12-03-2004 22:06									#17
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think of it this way...

if the orders were just A Par S A Lyo, A Lyo H, what is A Paris doing? It's holding, but it's also supporting A Lyons. The reason that both can support each other is that they're both supporting the other units hold.

Paris has a strength of two, and Lyons has a strength of two, since both units are supporting the other holding in place. If either is cut, then the other only has itself to hold.

It's completely legal.

	12-03-2004 22:08									#18
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maybe it's the term 'hold' that's throwing everyone off. How about we change up the terminology...

A Paris Supports A Lyons, which isn't moving
A Lyons Supports A Paris, which isn't moving