17-05-2001 05:40									#1
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I am willing to try my hand at GM'ing a game of Classical Dip and we need four more players.
Defiant has already signed in before his home computer crapped out.
Map:
http://home.pacbell.net/andyhre/classicf.gif


Please sign only if you are going to be able to complete this game.
Not trying to scare anybody away but as my first game GM'ing I don't want to have to keep trying to find replacements all the time. This game should be fun and interesting to all, especially to the GM

Rules:
http://www.stupendousgames.com/classic/rules.htm

They are pretty much standard and I will get out the placement as soon as I can get them on the map but they are in the rules.
[This message has been edited by Chazzy (edited May 16, 2001).]

	17-05-2001 06:02									#2
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Count me in.

	17-05-2001 06:11									#3
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I've got to be out of my friggin' mind.... but I'm in... Just put me next to Defiant so I can blitz him right away!

[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS 8 (edited May 16, 2001).]

	17-05-2001 06:40									#4
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I'll sign up. If you want preferences, I can give you them over ICQ.

One thing, though: there was another game played awhile ago that was also called "Classical Diplomacy" (Coug usually named his games after the variant map). So could we call it something else? Say, "The setting for SnowFire's Mediterranean Rampage," or TSFSFMR for short?

	17-05-2001 07:36									#5
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Good one Snowie, I'll take the name into consideration.
Actually I was thinking about the name " CLASH OF TITANS ", but am up for suggestions.

As of right now than we have four and only need one more.... TITAN..... to join the fray. Come on guys this is a five player map so should get bloody rather quickly.

Players;

Ruffy
Snowfire
El Hogfather
Defiant ( or meat, you decide )


BTW, I think that I may draw the assignments. Any disagreement to this please post.

	17-05-2001 08:22									#6
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Ack, I wish I could join but I'm moving through 2 different places on both sides of the USA (leaving my dorm to go to San Diego for 1 week then moving to DC) so this wud not be a good time at all for me to start.

	17-05-2001 08:25									#7
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But one suggestion for the map - use more.. bold colors. Carthage, Egypt, and Syria are way too light. I mean, this is just 5 players, couldn't the mapmaker use 5 distinct colors and then a blue color for the oceans? Sheesh.

The Abberation rule - building in centers that you own - still exists in this game. I imagine you guys will have to discuss it and decide whether to keep that rule or kick it out. Personally, I wouldn't play with that rule in any game.

	17-05-2001 08:32									#8
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Hmm, I didn't notice that before. Thanks for the heads-up.

To be honest, that rule was terrible on the Abberation map because it was huge with 9 players, so one early lead quickly became unstoppable. It's not quite as big a deal on a 5-player map, but still a bit unbalancing...

I would vote against such a rule, but will still play in the game no matter the decision because it doesn't matter quite so much on this map.

Clash of the Titans sounds like a good name to me. Nice and self-important.

	17-05-2001 08:50									#9
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Count me in. Just one game, as I'm overwhelmed with other things to play in any others (read: I don't want to get overwhelmed ). This is also a relatively short game compared to others.

[This message has been edited by PolarisGL (edited May 16, 2001).]

	17-05-2001 09:06									#10
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I agree the map needs to be tweeked. The abberration builds is something the players can decide on. There is an arguement both for keeping and for throwing it out. I don't know which way I would go on this, the time period lends credence to the aberration builds. Ship building could be done just about anywhere, all you needed was basically wood.
As for building armies, most replenished their ranks by recruiting or forceing people from the defeated provinces to join and fight alongside them. The option to refuse would have been death or slavery. Ceasar , Alexander, both had many different nationalities represented in their armies.
But , as I said it's up to the players. After units are placed you can let me know what you all think oabout the build rules.

	17-05-2001 14:34									#11
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DOH!!! Just too late. I wanted to whoop some ancient Med ass too! Never mind....Put me at the top of the replacement list
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	17-05-2001 17:46									#12
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Polaris,
This is Chazz's first GM'ing and he doesn't want to have to chase you all over the place to get your moves in. Your history with finishing games is poor at best, this is his game and I will let him make the choice but one NMR and I am suggesting Orange1 immediately take your spot. This game is the time to prove to us how dedicated and disciplined you are, no excuses or don't get in please.

As for Meat, Ruffhaus will learn what it means to be run over, remember one of the laws of physics, "Yield to a Greater Force", you have been warned.

With only five players it should be one hell of a beginning.

I am helping Chazzy with mapmaking skills, just cool it Ruffhaus, we have the map but no units on it, this may be a dumb question for great mapmakers like ruffhaus, Lordstone or Snowfire but how do I get units on the map if the map doesn't start with them, thanks in advance for your help.

	17-05-2001 19:19									#13
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*chuckles maniacly* There's more ways to apply force than throwing your belly full o' MGD light around.

Anyway, as for units, I guess you'll have to create, copy, modify some some. You can always bring up a game map with units that appeal to you, use the save as function, and then cut and past units for fleets and armies, modifying the colors to fit the map along the way.

	17-05-2001 19:24									#14
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HAHAHAHAHA, **thanks for the answer** the only USEFUL piece of information from your post BTW, MGDL is a better beer than that seaweed swill you southern boys know

	18-05-2001 01:28									#15
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Alright, Defiant. But I'm warning you that I may play horribly as I've not played Diplomacy in a while.

	18-05-2001 01:31									#16
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Polaris,
I am not concerned about your level of play just your attendance, I went from winning the ADCT to being the first one out in S.American dip. I just want to make sure you show up on time with your moves, that's all.

	18-05-2001 01:34									#17
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Then this looks like the players:
Defiant
Ruffhaus8 (lucky me)
Snowfire
Polaris
Hogfather
First replacement is Orange1

We only need to vote on the abberation builds or historical
Snowfire "Historical"
Defiant "Historical"
Need votes from the rest of you please, thanks.

	18-05-2001 02:52									#18
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Standard build rules are my preference as well.

	18-05-2001 04:03									#19
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"Historical"

	18-05-2001 08:33									#20
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Well than "Standard " builds it is. Also guys I am going to do a random draw for nations so I should have them out shortly.

I will also give an opening moves deadline once Defiant gets the map up with unit placements. Knowing his heritage as I do it shouldn't take more than a year or so. Just kidding !

	18-05-2001 09:14									#21
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Well guys I did a random draw for country's and thought you all might like to know so here they are ;

MACEDON ~ Ruffhaus
CARTHAGE ~ Defiant
EGYPT ~ Snowfire
ROME ~ El Hogfather
SYRIA ~ Polaris GL

As stated I will set a deadline as soon as the map with units is up. We also have to wait for Defiants computer problems to get corrected. Shouldn't be to long, but as long as you know your countries now you can at least get started on diploming.

	18-05-2001 22:13									#22
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Ruffhaus you chicken****, I knew you would be as far away from me as you could get

Charter is coming over to re-install the drivers I need for my cable modem, should be up tonight and I have changed the colors to the map and apllied units, let me know what you think, I can always change them.

	19-05-2001 00:06									#23
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Let's get going!

	19-05-2001 02:07									#24
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How does the map look?
http://www.geocities.com/defiant003...icbeggining.gif

Suggestions?

	19-05-2001 02:45									#25
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Just a warning- I just finished my last final, and I won't be online over the weekend while I head back for New Jersey and eventually set up my computer again.

	19-05-2001 02:58									#26
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MUCH BETTER.

	19-05-2001 03:41									#27
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Defiant, could you make the text for the Armies and Fleets (A and F) white for the darker colored nations? At this old age in the twenties I'm loosing my eyesight in addition to my hair.

Thanks,

Polaris

	19-05-2001 04:14									#28
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Rome and Green!

*runs off rampage to rape mediterranean women and plunder mediterranean villages*

	19-05-2001 08:52									#29
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Alrighty than gentlemen , lets get started with your opening deadline. I am taking into account Snowfires post that he won't be available until after the weekend so lets have moves in by:

Midnight Wednesday , May 23rd

This shouldn't cause any problems for anyone , you have the whole weekend to think about you're opens. Also , not to be a pest but remember I don't expect to have to chase anyone in this game down for their moves. Please be considerate of you're fellow players and submit them on time. If an extension is needed please ask before the deadline has passed, I understand things sometimes come up so just let me know as soon as possible. Lets have an NMR free game.

I will except moves via email or ICQ : I would prefer ICQ but either will work:

Chazzy@execpc.com or icq # 116124479

Thanks for joining , good luck to all !

	20-05-2001 07:55									#30
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Moves sent.