08-03-2004 04:21									#1
	XBox2: No hard drive! Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/496/49....html?fromint=1

****!

The hard drive was the best part of the XBox!

	08-03-2004 04:37									#2
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I expect you'll still be able to get one...........after a trip to Mr Wallet.

	08-03-2004 05:28									#3
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Asher ( of all people ) did thread on this IIRC a couple of days ago ( I think in th OT)

	08-03-2004 06:51									#4
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It almost -- but not really -- makes sense. The HD is chronically underused on the Xbox by games, and it costs MS $20-$30 per console to put it in (that adds up to a lot when you sell tens of millions).

They're launching online storage for the new Xbox Live this year, and by 2005-2006 I wouldn't be surprised if memory cards would be substantially faster and be about 512MB.

Current consoles have rather slow disc drives (4x DVD).

One of the best uses of the HD was level caching, used extensively in games like Halo and Ninja Gaiden. When equipped with a, say, 16x DVD-ROM drive, levels can be streamed reliably straight from media rather than on a harddrive.

Still, I really wish they'd left it in...

	08-03-2004 11:53									#5
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well at least without a hard drive the idea of patching console games is all but thrown out the window!

unfortunatly, going by just that article, it would seem they intend to make X-Box live the crutch of the system. Something I had hoped could be avoided, but alas it seems Im slowly being proven wrong. Microsoft screws yet another electronics industry. ( Im getting way ahead of things right now )

	08-03-2004 12:18									#6
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quote: Microsoft screws yet another electronics industry.

they're already coming out with number 2(hehe poop). Crap, now i have to get my money together. But then I guess all of the old xbox gmaes will be cheaper. Either way, I have to get my money in line so I can bow before my electronic opiate, and live my life of quiet desperation.

	08-03-2004 20:27									#7
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Maybe there is one other reason:

In belgium and perhaps other countries too*:

Computers are more heavily taxed then consoles( that's why they like to portray them as such here), maybe with the addition of a HD there were looked upon as crossing the line between console and PC too much?

Just a thought.


* Yes, I am aware that MS is going to make a decision like this just because Tiny little Belgium ......

	08-03-2004 20:35									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I don't get why people who are equipped with a PC will buy an X-box instead of a PS2. It is really a mystery to me

	08-03-2004 20:48									#9
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Ease of use? Kids pressuring their parents to get one ?

	08-03-2004 22:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by alva Ease of use? Kids pressuring their parents to get one ?

Parents buy stuff under pressure from their kids in EUROPE????? Its not just an American disease?

	08-03-2004 22:24									#11
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Nope, we are almost as rich as you guys

(well, I'm not, but then I don't have any kids either )

	08-03-2004 22:32									#12
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well yeah i know your GDP per capita figures and all that, i just thought social structures were a tad less overriden by consumerism than here (you know, french making a big deal about not going to McDonalds, etc)

I mean what the heck is the purpose of even having Europe if youre gonna be just as culturally barbaric as we are????

	08-03-2004 23:00									#13
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Kids don't care about borders etc...

	08-03-2004 23:14									#14
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quote: Originally posted by alva Kids don't care about borders etc...

You got giant chain megabookstores too??

	08-03-2004 23:52									#15
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quote: I don't get why people who are equipped with a PC will buy an X-box instead of a PS2. It is really a mystery to me

Everyone I know has both the X-Box and the PS2 or got the one thier best friend doesnt have so they technicaly have both.

	08-03-2004 23:54									#16
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Mega-mega stores aren't really that plentyfull here. Belgium cities are a bit to small for those.

They do exist in Paris and the like., Can't stand them personally though.

	09-03-2004 00:16									#17
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quote: Can't stand them personally though.

oh come on, where's your "my wallet is bottomless" super-consumer attitude?

	09-03-2004 00:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by alva Mega-mega stores aren't really that plentyfull here. Belgium cities are a bit to small for those. They do exist in Paris and the like., Can't stand them personally though.

Ah, so you dont have Borders borders.com

	09-03-2004 00:36									#19
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Right next to the "my wallet is in the bottomless [/b] pit[/b]

In general, stuff is more expensive here too, by quite a margin aswell.

	09-03-2004 00:59									#20
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quote: I don't get why people who are equipped with a PC will buy an X-box instead of a PS2. It is really a mystery to me

Because an X-Box is MUCH better than a PS2?

Not all of us have PCs with the latest graphics card and stuff. My PC can play GTA3 pretty well, but Ninja Gaiden with those graphics? Not a chance in Hell!

	09-03-2004 01:15									#21
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True, but the X-box is't free either, might aswell upgrade parts of your PC instead of buying a console.

	09-03-2004 01:37									#22
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Upgrading your PC isn't free either .

And upgrading a laptop is near impossible.

	09-03-2004 02:29									#23
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Hell, a decent graphic card is more expensive than a Xbox!

	09-03-2004 03:18									#24
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It is? I have no idea what these boxes cost but a decent card (only) sets you back little more then a 100$, that the price of one console game( ok, it's slightly more)

	09-03-2004 03:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by alva It is? I have no idea what these boxes cost but a decent card (only) sets you back little more then a 100$, that the price of one console game( ok, it's slightly more)

Xbox's are dirt cheap. In Canada, they sell them for 229$ right now, with two games. And mine came with Halo. I don't think you can have a decent graphic card for that price. Of course, decency is in the eye of the beholder.

	09-03-2004 03:50									#26
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I have a four year old laptop. So there was no way for me to play games like Morrowind, Kotor, Splinter Cell, GTA 3, Halo or Ninja Gaiden. So I had a choice: either I buy a new 2000$ computer, or I buy a 200$ Xbox. Tough choice

	09-03-2004 04:02									#27
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For me, it's not really a choice, I hardly play games anymore and the PC's real qualities are getting more important ( Office, Programming, Video, audio, etc..).

So my use for a console is next to zero.

	09-03-2004 04:41									#28
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I keep my PC relatively up to date since I use it for many different things. PC games also have more to offer me than consoles, so it doesn't bother me spending a bit more on hardware.

	09-03-2004 05:36									#29
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Spike change your name back!!!

	09-03-2004 05:37									#30
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Even if you have a kickass PC ( ), consoles complement that.

Console games play fundamentally different than PC games, even when it's a port from one to the other.