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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
There was no military information or specifics exchanged (what is against the rules about that anyway?), we merely shared our views on our respective teams and their relations to each other, in the hope of improving said relations. |
While it would depend on the specifics, if that is the case, it would be legal. However, as CMN, Tass has a duty to investigate anything that may cross over the rules. Therefore, closing your thread and removing the chat log so that it does not affect others is prudent, until he has decided whether or not it contravenes the rules.
The bottom line is, there is a rule about it, and it is up to Tass what he believes is the difference between an informal chat about diplomacy and giving information that should not be, or trying to gain information by underhand means.
Tass said as his comment in that thread that the log has been removed until he makes his decision, as to whether or not it is against the rules. If he decides it is, it remains removed. If he decides it isn't, it will be replaced. From what I've heard, I think it is legal, and I am strongly against that rule anyway, but nevertheless, it is a rule, and we must abide by it. Not only does he have a right to closed a thread he feels breaks the rules, he has a duty to do as such, until a ruling is made, so as to avoid any more improprieties, should they occur.
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
What the bollocks are you doing Tass? Rule violation? |
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
There is no rule that even approaches restricting faction members from chatting about ANYTHING, and I challenge you to show me otherwise. |
Sadly that isn't true. While personally I am against the rule, it was voted that getting information in informal chats was against the rules, since it could be manipulated. I think it's all part and parcel of diplomacy personally, but the people voted to ban it.
Furthermore, Voltaire, as Chairman of The Hive, has asked that there be no diplomacy whatsoever other than between their official ambassador and the CPU, because of various incidents that have happened with the hive, such as the Jamski and Enigma ones. We did agree to those terms, as a courtesy.
I would ask that Tass post a link in the rules thread to the poll in question, to make clear that it is being enforced.
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Don't be psycho. Reverse your actions and we'll forget this. I don't want any more annoyance in this game than we have all had already. Please sort this out. |
He is sorting it out. I know you were not aware of the rule, but there is a rule there. I disagree with it, I think it's a stupid ruling, but it is a ruling, and Tass has a duty to investigate it if he feels it is borderline.
Meanwhile, please do not post it again until Tass has decided if it is legal or not.
Tass: I presume any similar thread by Arnelos has been removed from the Hive forum, should it have been made. Also, could you give us a rough idea of timescale? How long do you think until you make a decision on whether or not it's allowed.
Last edited by Drogue on 11-03-2004 at 00:44
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Comrade Tassadar
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Thing is: I've already made my ruling, which has been told to both parties.
I would like it to be accepted.
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:34
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Edited.
Last edited by Comrade Tassadar on 11-03-2004 at 05:35
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Comrade Tassadar
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Drogue: Spying is..."once-loyal faction members now giving factional information to foreign factions.", of course, without approval from the faction.
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:34
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Drogue: OK, thanks for clearing that up. I would however be interested in pushing for our rules to be more clearly signposted, as I checked every thread I could find (FAQ etc) in the public forum before posting. Although it really grates on me to hear we can't chat with members of other teams unless we have an official mandate, I will try to work within that system. For the moment, untill it pisses me off too much for passive activity. 
So can I please be given a mandate to become an official ambassador for our team? Then chats I have are not informal. I know Arn very well from other DGs and I believe that as he becomes a little more active in the Hive that being able to chat with him about things would go a long way to improving relations between our two factions. It is potentially in everyone's best interests. If you or the team believes that I should not be trusted with such a job, I will accept that, happy or not.
However Tass, I have a bone to continue to pick with you. Since your PMs are full, I will continue here. You have told me I unfairly extracted info from Arn. Not so. I was aware he was a Hiver, he knows full well I am CPU. We have both seen the recent diplomatic clashes in the public channel, and we are both smart. Neither of us offered up sensitive information, merely compared notes about activity, who best to contact in our factions, and on the stances of our faction members.
Where is the harm in that? I do not accept any chastising, nor do I intend to stop chatting with Arn about the game because of your arbitrary ruling. I will refrain for the moment because of Drogue's reservations, but I hope I will be given an official mandate.
Oh, and if we're looking at wordings closely, what factional informations was exchanged? Finding out who the active members of our respective factions are is public info - all you need do is check who the CivGroup members are and see how active those members are on Poly. And how is a personal opinion of someone factional information? I know no more about the location, statistics of the Hive than I did before.
If none of this gets me anywhere it's time to define spying. I don't understand a DG where you can't chat to members of the other factions and if I have to change that myself then dammit I will. We're here to have fun, and personally I think a lot of the *****iness seen in this game so far could be relaxed by having better interpersonal communications between ALL members.
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:34
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Well first I want to apologise to Tass and everyone that saw this thread as aggressive. At no point did I feel agressive towards anyone, nor did I inted the thread as such, so sorry if I gave that impression.
However I am going to push my case to the death, if necessary. If I am now considered official for anything, this just means that Arn is not. Let us assume for the time being he will not be granted official status by the Hive. OK, I can't contest that, as the Hive is their own faction. What I CAN do however, is contest the silly idea that only official contacts can exchange any information in chat. CXan I count on some support when I bring this topic up for redebate in the public forum, leading to a repoll?
And to Tass or anyone else - if you could give me a link or bump to the thread/poll that this was decided (I never saw it, let alone voted in it), that would help.
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Comrade Tassadar
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quote:
Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Just see me in the chat. |
No, don't see him in the chat.
MWIA, PM me the full log first.
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10-03-2004 15:02
Good move mani
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