12-03-2004 01:53									#31
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Don't worry, I'm sure even after saying that he won't apologize, he will. He's flipped on everything else.

	12-03-2004 01:53									#32
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I would get banned for what I have to say to you right now: lest suffice it to say, very nice troll on your part, and a masterful troll on the part of the media and the repugs. This is the last I will say on this moronic situation, as it drives my blood pressure to high.

Why are you getting so upset over this? It's business as usual. Just laugh at it.

	12-03-2004 01:54									#33
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This was a pure troll by DanS. He has stirred up the thread with an emotive although clearly untrue and hypocritical position... and then disappears.

If I weren't a generous spirit, I'd call that behavior gutless.

	12-03-2004 01:54									#34
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quote: Get me some video of Kerry foaming at the mouth or rolling on the ground having a fit or temper tantrum

Like literally foaming at the mouth... like he has rabies? Run the story, OMG!

	12-03-2004 01:54									#35
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quote: Originally posted by rah Don't worry, I'm sure even after saying that he won't apologize, he will. He's flipped on everything else.

I'd put money on it.

	12-03-2004 01:54									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DanS After him accusing the GOP of being the "the most crooked... lying group", I expected to hear a recitation of the states in which he was going to campaign and an "aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh".

OMG, he's outa control telling the truth! Somebody stop him!

	12-03-2004 01:55									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Why are you getting so upset over this? It's business as usual. Just laugh at it.

It a build-up of all the inane idiocy of the press coming to full boil. Being "in the business" now, I can see how people working for Kerry must be feeling, asking "WTF would anyone care!?".

And then I remember we have 8 months of this crap ahead.....and it is depressing.

	12-03-2004 01:57									#38
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Geez you guys -- this is the same politics that happens every four years. Cry yourself a river, and get over it.

	12-03-2004 02:01									#39
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I like the guy. Proves to me he's got a little moxie..a little spunk, if you will

	12-03-2004 02:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by GePap It a build-up of all the inane idiocy of the press coming to full boil. Being "in the business" now, I can see how people working for Kerry must be feeling, asking "WTF would anyone care!?". And then I remember we have 8 months of this crap ahead.....and it is depressing.

I'm quite looking forward to it.

Greatest Show on Earth.

	12-03-2004 02:07									#41
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Kerry? Out of control? You mean like whipping up a fury to invade a sovereign nation that posed no threat to us, costing us 87 billion dollars, mounting up record deficits and squandering whatever goodwill the US had after 9/11?

Let's have some perspective here, people.

	12-03-2004 02:10									#42
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:yawn:

	12-03-2004 02:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator Kerry? Out of control? You mean like whipping up a fury to invade a sovereign nation that posed no threat to us,

You mean like he wanted to do with Haiti?

	12-03-2004 02:32									#44
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DinoDoc is smart enough to know where I'm going with this.

	12-03-2004 02:33									#45
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quote: and then disappears

Hey, I had billable work to do for the VVVBEUC. Cut me some slack.

	12-03-2004 02:43									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Hey, I had billable work to do for the VVVBEUC. Cut me some slack.

Thats fine... excuse accepted.

I'll just repost my question that you might have missed, in an effort to be helpful...

quote: Originally posted by DanS I can't believe you guys are defending this! You're too much!

Yep... the WhiteHouse commented on its distress at this negative attack.

Dan... seriously... do you think that Bush will get from now to election day... relying on positive advertising? If yes, then I've got a bridge to sell to you.

If they will inevitably make negative criticism of Kerry and/or his party infrastructure, exactly how will that be different from this specific incident?

	12-03-2004 02:44									#47
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GePap: This is news simply for the sheer vitriol of this attack. While negative statements about the other party are commonplace, Calling the enitreother party a bunch of liars and crooks is an extreme low blow.

	12-03-2004 02:48									#48
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But isn't the Republican party tarring the Democratic party as being opposed to greater security for our nation? Basically saying that the Democratic party are anti-American or unpatriotic?

	12-03-2004 02:48									#49
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But isn't the Republican party tarring the Democratic party as being opposed to greater security for our nation? Basically saying that the Democratic party are anti-American or unpatriotic?

	12-03-2004 03:05									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Shi GePap: This is news simply for the sheer vitriol of this attack. While negative statements about the other party are commonplace, Calling the enitreother party a bunch of liars and crooks is an extreme low blow.

"Sheer vitrol"

If he had said : Dub is a mother****ing imbecile, a mental midget who should be shot and sight, and let me not get started on Cheney, that dickwad who I would like to club to death"-then this is a story.

As for your "oh my gosh, he is speaking about all republicans" sorry, but the intellectual dishonesty of that is massive-I am sure the union guy he told this to knew exactly which republicans Kerry meant.

This remains a non-issue dressed as an issue by people of little imagination and too much time on their hands to waste.

	12-03-2004 04:20									#51
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Not only is this not news, the Dean thing wasn't news, either! News services repented after playing that Dean clip over and over again (over a month after the fact).


The American media, and the political pundits and press in particular, are at the root of all that is wrong with our government.

	12-03-2004 04:24									#52
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You mean like he wanted to do with Haiti?

You left out the part about whipping the public into a frenzy time and time again over issue and spreading untruths about how they pose an imminent threat to us. Pretty big difference between that and proposing a humanitarian mission to a nation in anarchy.

	12-03-2004 04:39									#53
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The irony was that he said the GOP was the most corrupt group of people in front of a bunch of union leaders.

	12-03-2004 05:03									#54
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Gepap: Laugh smilies, accusations about intellectual dishonesty, and throwing a temper tantrum doesn't make your point any more true.

It isn't what the union guy he was talking too thought he meant. The words of the statement themselves implicated all Republicans. The comment got out on a public discourse and that's why the statement needed to be qualified.

Moreover, just because the comments did not reach the puerile level of your example does not mean that calling your opponents liars and crooks outright is not a very vitriolic charge.

The media reports on what it reports on, I am sure they are quite capable of deciding what statements are newsworthy enough to interest viewers and they don't need your help.

	12-03-2004 05:09									#55
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In the absence of substance, we can only judge Kerry on style.

So far he hasn't shown much of that either.

	12-03-2004 05:14									#56
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He has strayed into substance. But over the last couple of weeks (at least) he hasn't displayed any discipline there. He keeps running his mouth, just like Dean did. Because of this, you have such conservative papers like the Washington Post under a lead editorial headline of "Flip-Flop, Hedge and Stradle" say...

quote: It's not always clear what, if anything, he's [Kerry] committed to. The senator's supporters say that what sometimes looks like indecision reflects his devotion to thinking through a problem, to weighing every nuance and potential consequence before leaping to a decision... But the hedging and subsequent grandstanding on Haiti raise the same question as do Mr. Kerry's campaign-trail straddles on a wide range of issues (trade, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act and more): Where are the bedrock principles that would guide him in office?

	12-03-2004 05:19									#57
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quote: Originally posted by DanS But over the last couple of weeks (at least) he hasn't displayed any discipline there.

Why did you qualify it as the last couple of weeks and not his entire career?

	12-03-2004 05:21									#58
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I haven't followed his career nor really the democratic primary. So I don't know if he has shown any discipline then.

	12-03-2004 05:25									#59
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Fair enough. Repubs point to the entirety of his political career as a pattern of flip flop.

I don't know if this is a fair characterization or not. But it does jive with the tar he was painted with from his fellow Dem running mates (read especially Dean and Clark).

	12-03-2004 05:53									#60
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You guys probably know how I feel about what Kerry said.

In the end, it just means more fence sitters swing to Bush so let him talk.