13-03-2004 16:38									#1
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Some thoughts on Azteca, I did a rush scout and got this message, 28gold!

well worht the cost to quickly explore this land, though if there is no competition I would leave the huts well alone untill some swords or horse can be made available.

There are some great settler pump sites here and we should colonise this land ASAP!

This could be the turning point for the Vikings, and a Forbiden palace in the future over here would be a real benefit to our striving nation.

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	13-03-2004 16:41									#2
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see the pics Paddy posted in this thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=110590

As a compliment to my pic here. This should be a main objective in future senate sessions

	13-03-2004 17:44									#3
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Good points here.

Thanks Chrisius.

	14-03-2004 08:04									#4
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Chrisius is reading my mind about the settler pumps and all Who thinks Tenochtitlan looks like a great FP city?

	14-03-2004 10:07									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Makahlua Chrisius is reading my mind about the settler pumps and all Who thinks Tenochtitlan looks like a great FP city?

Yeah and what kind of unit is able to take that city?

	14-03-2004 10:25									#6
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I think Tenochtitlan is impossible to take, outside of nuking and then paradropping. We can't build boats on that water because cities can only build boats on coasts that are apart of a larger sea/ocean system.

	14-03-2004 10:47									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Duddha I think Tenochtitlan is impossible to take, outside of nuking and then paradropping.

Does nuks destroy the city? (Have not used nuks for years).

	14-03-2004 10:50									#8
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no nukes just weakens some of the units in city...

looks like the map maker made that city to last...

i agree build settlers and get them exploring more land and build more citys there...

	14-03-2004 15:58									#9
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The reason it seems to me as such a prority is I believe that so far no other civs are settled on this lump of land !

We got the city in peace negotiations from Persia right, so they know where it is and will probably be sending over more settlers soon!!

It is without doubt a major stroke of luck for us to have been gifted this lump of land with no other civs settled at this date in the game. The Technotilan situation is briliant to the map designer.

Duddha I think you are correct, as if it were possible to take via a port city then why have the Aztecs not expanded off their island ?

This is a golden opportunity to expand and increase our power base and we must do it soon before Persia and or Egypt butt in

	15-03-2004 07:12									#10
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yes, we are rushing the scout our very next turn.

then we have 5 turns to wait for the population gets to 3...

we can rush a settler soon there after for about 108 gold.

get him into a good location and we are on our way with settler pumps in the new land.

	15-03-2004 14:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus The Technotilan situation is briliant to the map designer.

Thank you. Note the nice little fish layout - I spent hours getting that one right

	17-03-2004 20:04									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Thank you. Note the nice little fish layout - I spent hours getting that one right

thanks for that

	17-03-2004 23:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus The Technotilan situation is briliant to the map designer.

quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Thank you. Note the nice little fish layout - I spent hours getting that one right

I believe the island capital was BFM's idea, but I can't recall exactly as we traded off a ton of ideas and ended up keeping the best ones. As you can tell from the map, we chose a number of interesting starting scenerios for the other civs.

However ... we did expect that the Aztecs would get a clue, build a galley, and get the hell off that island one day. Who knows, may still happen, but the Aztecs were one of our favorite civs to keep track of, especially in the early stages of the game. We made sure to give them enough resources to grow, as BFM points out in the above quote.

--Togas

	18-03-2004 02:22									#14
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Pah. They didn't even learn Map Making yet...

	18-03-2004 04:04									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I believe the island capital was BFM's idea, but I can't recall exactly as we traded off a ton of ideas and ended up keeping the best ones. As you can tell from the map, we chose a number of interesting starting scenerios for the other civs. However ... we did expect that the Aztecs would get a clue, build a galley, and get the hell off that island one day. Who knows, may still happen, but the Aztecs were one of our favorite civs to keep track of, especially in the early stages of the game. We made sure to give them enough resources to grow, as BFM points out in the above quote. --Togas

i beleive the AI is set not to build boats in citys that are on lakes, thereby wasting resources, the AI is not celver enough to relaise that it is never going to get off idland without a bout..

	18-03-2004 04:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin i beleive the AI is set not to build boats in citys that are on lakes,

Better than the situation in Civ II, where the AI would often spend good shields on a trireme and then move it to a 1-tile lake and keep it there for thousands of years.

	18-03-2004 04:48									#17
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ye sthe whole reason they altered it for civ3

	18-03-2004 13:48									#18
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And now those poor Aztecs suffer from that decision...

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hahahahaha

	19-03-2004 06:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster And now those poor Aztecs suffer from that decision...

suffer from someone forgetting that change was made

	19-03-2004 15:34									#21
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No, certainly not.

	21-03-2004 04:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot yes, we are rushing the scout our very next turn. then we have 5 turns to wait for the population gets to 3... we can rush a settler soon there after for about 108 gold. get him into a good location and we are on our way with settler pumps in the new land.

I don't reccomend rushing the settler. We need that money for sci, which in turn can be put into our military, and after that...

	21-03-2004 08:47									#23
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I like your thinking, yet so too we are rushing the settlers asap

	31-03-2004 13:17									#24
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so we have several settlements now, and have had one or two flip...

but we persist on our growth

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	31-03-2004 16:05									#25
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once our original hoemlands free of spanish and egyptian i refcomemnd we send our berzerkers to this island ....

	31-03-2004 17:58									#26
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to get in there we need to build a settlement on the water and build a boat... I like your ideas

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Yep. Can't wait to take Tenochtitlan. Great place for a Forbidden Palace

	01-04-2004 02:26									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yep. Can't wait to take Tenochtitlan. Great place for a Forbidden Palace

Then you have to wait for a patch for PTW.

Find another place for FP as it will not be Tenochtitlan.

	01-04-2004 02:44									#29
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Dang.

I wonder if the makers of the map knew the Aztecs were going to be stuck on their island, and that nobody could possibly invade them (I know I wouldn't: never tried to build a boat on a lake)

	01-04-2004 02:52									#30
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quote: Originally posted by theViking Then you have to wait for a patch for PTW. Find another place for FP as it will not be Tenochtitlan.

why a aptch needed ??