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New feature: Replies number linked to last post Got spare money?

in the thread summary page(e.g. the page where you can see all the current threads of a forum), the number of replies of a thread is now link to the last post of the thread

this allows two things:

1) you can go directly to the bottom of a thread to check the latest replies, instead of geting to the top(as you would from the normal link)

2) if the link has a visited color it means that noone posted after you(you have visited the page at the last post when you replied)


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Though not quite as nauseating as the new title bar, it's still pretty mug-ugly. Blah!

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Oh, and #2 doesn't seem to work. I've seen dark-blued threads that have had posts in them since I posted.

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*scratching his head*
a different color in the content of one of the columns made the whole page ugly?!?

on 2: an example?

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When checking if an url has been visited the part starting with # is ignored (at least in IE5 which is what I use).

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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-23-2000 11:33 AM</font>
When checking if an url has been visited the part starting with # is ignored (at least in IE5 which is what I use).
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>can you explain that a bit more?


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Let me guess, it's spring break in Greece?

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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Locutus on 04-23-2000 12:19 PM</font>
Let me guess, it's spring break in Greece?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>actually, the term used here is Easter Vacation, but it's unrelated to today's changes...

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I like it. It does change the general look of the forums, but I think we'll get used to it, considering the numerous benifits.



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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>can you explain that a bit more?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

When you visit the url http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html#8 a browser (or at least IE5, I don't know about Netscape) will apparently put that in the visted urls history as http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html and also consider it visted when it changes to http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html#9 (or 10, 11 and so on).

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Let me try to explain what we mean. Threads are displayed in two ways on apolyton at the moment: as the URL of the thread with a bookmark attached to it (#42 for example) which will take you to the last post in the thread (when you click the number). Now, this bit is essentially ignored by the browser, so if you've seen a thread once, this link irrespective of the number of the bookmark will stay in "visited" mode ie. be dark blue.

The other way threads are displayed is with the "?date=##:##" thing tagged onto the end of the URL. This really has no effect on what page the URL points to, but it makes your browser think that the URL points to a different thread each time that field has changed (which it does when a reply is made). What this means in practice is that (a) The real links on the front page show whether any relies have been made since you last saw the page (in which case they are light blue), and more importantly (b) Users behind firewalls can use UBB properly. (I cannot use ACOL well at school, for example, because it does not have this feature.)

Now, one problem with this is that when you make a reply to a thread it goes to a bookmark number (as done through the first method). If you then leave the thread, it is marked as unread (hey, that rhymes!), because the URL on the forum page will be pointing to the url with the new "?date=##:##" bit tacked on. Geddit?

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Wait, I was mistaken! the post count link does not show threads you've seen, it shows thread you've replied to. The reason for this is that you always see threads through the second (date) format, which the Browser thins is a different URL. When you make a reply, however, you reach the "core URL" as explained above.

edit: One more thing: When there is a page break, the URL changes completely rendering the whole system useless after fifty posts.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Hugo Rune (edited April 23, 2000).]</font>

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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-23-2000 02:04 PM</font>
When you visit the url http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html#8 a browser (or at least IE5, I don't know about Netscape) will apparently put that in the visted urls history as http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html and also consider it visted when it changes to http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html#9 (or 10, 11 and so on).
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>I see what you mean. unfortunately that's how IE works


Hugo, I get it now. The answer is the same with the one I gave to Paul. IE will characterize as visited a blah.html#12 if you have visited blah.html or blah.html#11

Bottom Line: IE sucks and thus #2 in my first post does not work on it... furthermore, I dont think there is something that can be done about it
except to use netscape that is

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Well, Netscape sucks, so that's not an option.

Anyway, would it not be possible to add the ?date part to the url where you are directed after you post? If that would be possible it would show as read in the topics list and there would be no IE problems.

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-23-2000 04:23 PM</font>
Anyway, would it not be possible to add the ?date part to the url where you are directed after you post? If that would be possible it would show as read in the topics list and there would be no IE problems.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>you wouldn't be sent to the right post that way...

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it would if you added the post number after the date number. So it would look like http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html?date=17:18#14

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Semms to work, Mark... Also, could you make it so that that's the page that you go to when you make replies is of the same kind?

Can't you learn some day that most internet users use IE because it is a superior product? Don't make stupid mods that only tradition-bound netscape-geeks can use!

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-23-2000 05:33 PM</font>
it would if you added the post number after the date number. So it would look like http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum20/HTML/000658.html?date=17:18#14
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>I'm not sure I can take the time of the last post...

Hugo, it is quite obvious from this case, that it is netscape that allows more and makes things easier...

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 04-23-2000 07:24 PM</font>
I'm not sure I can take the time of the last post...
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

What do you mean by that? You put the time of the last post behind the url in the topics list, so why can't you also put it in the url you're sent to when you post a reply?

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different functions in different scripts....

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hehe, its a good thing I use netscape... Keep up the good work Markos!

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let's see...
things should work on IE now....

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I think it does!
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font>Can't you learn some day that most internet users use IE because it is a superior product? Don't make stupid mods that only tradition-bound netscape-geeks can use!
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Funny, I thought most people use IE because it comes bundled on most computers, and Netscape dosen't.

Silly me.

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Yes, it works. The only problem with the current situation is that when I have replied to a thread I have to check in the replies column to see if I have read it and with other threads I have to look in the topic column. Would it not be possible to use the number of replies instead of the ?date thing in the topic column?

And maybe you could also have the title of the topic link to the last page of multi-page threads. Now I have to click on that very small page-number to get to the last page of a thread; it happens sometimes that I mis-click and get to the wrong page.

If this is not possible or too much work don't do it, but I think it would make these great forums even better.

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-24-2000 12:41 PM</font>
Would it not be possible to use the number of replies instead of the ?date thing in the topic column?
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>that would mean that you would always be taken to the last post. not all people would want that
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>And maybe you could also have the title of the topic link to the last page of multi-page threads
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>again not all people want to be taken to the last page. some might have not seen the thread from the start and would want to check it from the begining

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this is definetely a good addition.... yes, it does work on ie now, but you sould always make things compatible for both. ie5 actually is a superior product to netscape (especially when you're using the netscape which ALSO COMES PACKAGED WITH APPLE COMPUTERS!

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 04-24-2000 01:42 PM</font>that would mean that you would always be taken to the last post. not all people would want that
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Well, maybe you could have the url in the topics list with only ?26 and not put the #26 behind it. That way you will be taken to the top of the page but the link will still show as visited (at least on the superior browser).

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>again not all people want to be taken to the last page. some might have not seen the thread from the start and would want to check it from the begining
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

Maybe not all people would have read it from the beginning, but I think most people would prefer to go straight to the last page.

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Paul on 04-24-2000 02:12 PM</font>
Well, maybe you could have the url in the topics list with only ?26 and not put the #26 behind it
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>whatever it may have after the ? (26 or 20:41) it makes not difference...

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If you have the number of posts after the ? it will show as read not only when you have read it but also when you have just posted a reply. At least, it would in IE. If you want that in Netscape you would have to also use the # part which would send people to the last post, but you already said that you don't want that.

 
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