19-03-2004 01:06									#91
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1 + 1 = 2

You guys are agreeing that this is a human creation?

	19-03-2004 01:08									#92
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Its math.

yes

	19-03-2004 01:10									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Its math. yes

Humans did not make it true, they only found out that it was.

	19-03-2004 01:13									#94
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It's a construct based on made-up axioms. It's no more intrinsically "true" than 1 +1 = 1.

	19-03-2004 01:15									#95
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They found a concept to describe their physical surroundings.

The real point is you speak to fundamental truths.

Even fundamental truths (if they exist at all) need a coding or social construct to be processed.

	19-03-2004 01:22									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Even fundamental truths (if they exist at all) need a coding or social construct to be processed.

True, but that doesn't mean that the fundamental truth is a social construct, only that we have constructed a way of processing it.

	19-03-2004 01:32									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious True, but that doesn't mean that the fundamental truth is a social construct, only that we have constructed a way of processing it.

Yes, but you might as well say it is a social construct if:

1) There is no such thing as a fundamental truth or
2) that the social construct used to interpret that fundamental truth means the same to person a as it does to person b

	19-03-2004 01:36									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Yes, but you might as well say it is a social construct if: 1) There is no such thing as a fundamental truth

not applicable

quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe 2) that the social construct used to interpret that fundamental truth means the same to person a as it does to person b

why?

	19-03-2004 01:40									#99
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The fact that there are external truths does not mean that right exist apart from the human mind.

	19-03-2004 01:41									#100
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But there are no eternal truths.

	19-03-2004 01:42									#101
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What Che said.

	19-03-2004 01:45									#102
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The fact that there are external truths does not mean that right exist apart from the human mind.

I'm not arguing that the right to equal treatment isn't a social contract, but that equality isn't a social concept. Things were equal before any human realized it or communicated it to another human.

	19-03-2004 01:48									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo But there are no eternal truths.

External, not eternal. With an X.

	19-03-2004 01:49									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm not arguing that the right to equal treatment isn't a social contract, but that equality isn't a social concept.

The equality of humans is a human concept.

	19-03-2004 02:27									#105
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The equality of humans is a human concept.

acknowledged

	19-03-2004 03:03									#106
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quote: There is no such thing as a fundamental truth

	19-03-2004 03:36									#107
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I read somewhere that you shouldn't believe everything you read