19-03-2004 03:26									#91
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc When did you decide women were more appealing than men?

That was a joke, based on an old anti-drugs advert.... never mind...

	19-03-2004 03:27									#92
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What part of Boris's and Molly's intelligent refutations do you not understand?

	19-03-2004 03:27									#93
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Again... Let's discuss the issues and topic, and not just throw around personal insults.

	19-03-2004 03:28									#94
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Ming -- gay Apolytoners are used to being hurled ignorant, bigoted insults.

	19-03-2004 03:31									#95
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MrFun: I apologise for my sarcastic remark about your debating skill. It was uncalled for.

Let's confront the issues instead. Which definition of 'gay' would you adhere to?

	19-03-2004 03:31									#96
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quote: I think this is ridiculous of course, but I don't see how it would be against the constitution.

Lawrence v. Texas (IIRC) makes this law illegal. Then again, passing laws which are against a superceeding law seems to be in fashion these days .

	19-03-2004 03:32									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ming -- gay Apolytoners are used to being hurled ignorant, bigoted insults.

And so are most Americans here

It's ok for people to have an "opinoin"... it's ok to discuss the issues... but it seems like some people have a problem in how they express them.

Remember.. discuss the issues, not the posters. People will disagree... but that doesn't mean it's ok to start throwing around personal insults.

	19-03-2004 03:40									#98
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Mr. Fun gets the best of both worlds... he's American and gay .

	19-03-2004 03:43									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh 1. someone who is attracted to someone of the opposite sex. 2. someone who indulges in gay sex. But I would say that a gay person can abstain from gay sex more easily than a drug addict can abstain from drugs. Wouldn't you? Now, similarly pedophilia can be defined in two ways: 1. someone who is attracted to children. 2. someone who abuses children.

You know, I love it when people compare and contrast the sexuality and sex lives of lesbians and gay men with those of child molesters. Or the actions and relationships of drug addicts.

'...a gay person can abstain from gay sex MORE easily than a drug addict can abstain from drugs.'

You missed your calling. Psychology, with specific reference to human sexuality, is clearly your forte.

So, according to you, my sexuality is like an addiction, but a weaker addiction than a chemical dependency. Or my relationships with consenting adults are similar to the relationship between a junkie and their fix, and presumably their dealers or suppliers. Of course I'm not quite sure who the poppy farmers or coca growers are in the gay sexuality=chemical abuse equation, perhaps my parents, or Leakey's Lucy, who knows....

More to the point- why would I choose to abstain from having sex with another adult? If we were both of a similar mind, and consenting, I fail to see why you would assume either of us would wish to refrain from a perfectly natural normal human act.

Unless of course- it has something to do with religion?

Hmm- could it be - I wonder- something to do with your chosen faith?

Don't tell me, I think I understand- you chose your faith, and you can abstain from it any time you like, - just not yet.

	19-03-2004 04:48									#100
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quote: Originally posted by CorpusScorpius Does this mean the individual turning in these people for breaking the law is a peeping tom & will be charged too.?Also, is it ok if its man on woman sodomy?

Man-on-woman is okay; he just has to like it really, really, REALLY rough, so that he punches through into her uterus.

As I understand Dayton law, at least. Which is to say not at all.

	19-03-2004 04:53									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Man-on-woman is okay; he just has to like it really, really, REALLY rough, so that he punches through into her uterus.

It is good to see a law protecting morality with such consistence

	19-03-2004 05:09									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It's ok for people to have an "opinoin"..

Great! If only we knew what one was.

	19-03-2004 05:15									#103
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Even if it was the case that all gays were child molesters, it still wouldn't mean that gay sex between consenting adults was wrong any more than a heterosexual child molester having sex with an adult woman would be wrong.

So the child molesting stuff is at best irrelevant.

	19-03-2004 05:20									#104
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It's an intentionally loaded analogy. As good as an insult really.

	19-03-2004 05:26									#105
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Sure it is. But other than being insulting, it's irrelevant.

	19-03-2004 05:34									#106
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Ah Agathon you forget! There are those who believe it to be socially damaging, religiously blasphemous and disgusting to the point of child abuse!

We must sympathise with these people before slapping them with wet haddock...

	19-03-2004 05:53									#107
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Isn't a higher percentage of priests child molesters than gays?

But seriously.. yes, it is irrelevent to this discussion... just as drug use is.

	19-03-2004 05:59									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Isn't a higher percentage of priests child molesters than gays?

I know this isn't a serious point but IIRC there are far more priests violating thier vows of celibacy by engaging in relationships with adults than abusing children.

	19-03-2004 06:02									#109
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I just think it's sad that some of those who are preaching that homosexual activity is bad are sinners as well... something about people who live in glass houses... or maybe it was he who is without sin should throw the first rock...

	19-03-2004 06:05									#110
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We're all sinners Ming.

	19-03-2004 06:07									#111
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I agree... I thought religion was all about trying to live YOUR OWN LIFE according to your beliefs... and letting God sort out the sinners in the after life

	19-03-2004 06:24									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh MrFun: I apologise for my sarcastic remark about your debating skill. It was uncalled for. Let's confront the issues instead. Which definition of 'gay' would you adhere to?

I wasn't insulted by that, but much more so by your stubborn tendency to use pedophilia as a legitimate, parallel example with homosexuality.

If I could get a dime for everytime you and others have used such argument fallacies in the past, I would have paid off all my college debt by now.

	19-03-2004 06:56									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I agree... I thought religion was all about trying to live YOUR OWN LIFE according to your beliefs... and letting God sort out the sinners in the after life

Experience suggests the opposite.

	19-03-2004 07:04									#114
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Just like experience with communism suggests that communism is really about tyrants causing famine and poverty

	19-03-2004 08:45									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer In point of fact, committing suicide is not illegal. Used to be. Isn't anymore.

Lock up that corspe and throw away the key.

Damn criminals, what with their suicide and all. Makes you wanna hide the children from their deviant ways.

Matter of fact he can just rot in their until he is rehabilitated.

	19-03-2004 08:53									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I agree... I thought religion was all about trying to live YOUR OWN LIFE according to your beliefs... and letting God sort out the sinners in the after life

Certainly we don't condemn the people who commit sin. But it was never commanded that we should ignore sins themselves, or not teach what the faith believes about what is sins.

	19-03-2004 15:35									#117
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You guys are still not getting the point (amazingly!).

The argument that things should not be illegal if they are between consenting adults (or on your own) is wrong. There are plenty of things out there which are (rightly) illegal which do not harm anyone other than the consenting adults who take part.

I am sick to death of your tirades against anyone who might even remotely disagree with a post made by a member of poly's 'gay community'. What is wrong with you people? Do you have no opinions of your own?

For ****s sake, get a grip.

	19-03-2004 16:43									#118
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What thing is illegal that should be illegal that does not harm anyone other than the parties involved in the act?

I cannot think of one thing that fits that description.

	19-03-2004 16:49									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh You guys are still not getting the point (amazingly!). The argument that things should not be illegal if they are between consenting adults (or on your own) is wrong. There are plenty of things out there which are (rightly) illegal which do not harm anyone other than the consenting adults who take part. I am sick to death of your tirades against anyone who might even remotely disagree with a post made by a member of poly's 'gay community'. What is wrong with you people? Do you have no opinions of your own? For ****s sake, get a grip.

Actually, the argument is correct, but incomplete. There are places where the government has a "compelling public interest" to intervene - for example, the case in Germany where one guy asked the other to eat him.

Another way of looking at it is this: the government determines that anyone who would give consent to such acts as inherently insane, and therefore by definition cannot give consent.

It is clear that homosexuality falls under neither category.

	19-03-2004 16:49									#120
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quote: Originally posted by GePap If this is "one of the most conservative counties" in Tenn., what will they do in the most conservative?

Declare fire to be unnatural and insist all meat is served raw.