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I don't see them.
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Bereta_Eder
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After I said I don't see them, now I see them too. MarkG works fast.
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Bereta_Eder
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fetish with the US? nice word. completely gaga though
world has issues with the US because of deeds of the past (although I will acknowledge that in some respects we don't stop to acknowledge the benefits that it has brought too)
in today's world I think it's more of a case where you are in a bus and you have a crazy driver and you're positive the bus will crash so you want to get out but you cant. so you try to bang the driver in the head and replace him
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ErikM
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Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That's all there is too US-Euro relations, really.
Nobody wants a benevolent dictator since there is no guarantee that he will stay benevolent.
Bush administration provided a nice example of the above sentiment.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:34
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I think THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE SHOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER IS!!!!!!!!!!!: We are good friends.
Anyone who tries to jeopardize the relations between us should be watched closely with extreme prejudice.
IF our relations gets cold, TERRORISTS WIN!
Hey, you can bring all the terrorism in the world to the table right now. Even if we would disagree on things, it's a small thing considering how important our friendship is. It's like becoming enemies with your best friend over some prostitute.
People get pissed off all the time, but we need to stay tight, that's it. REMEMBER who your friends are, and don't make mistakes who your REAL enemies are. Even if many European countries disagree with US foreign policies, so what, is it something worth losing the relations over? NO! It's nothing!
And if the US decides to take action somewhere, is it worth for us Euros to get cold on the US? NO!
Mark my words, we must remember the important things over the small things. We have only seen the beginning and if we end up losing relations, we'll see a whole lot more.
I can't even believe how stupid it is. Europe and US should just shake hands and kiss up, it's just ****ing stupid that's what it is. Get things in perspective here.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
I think THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE SHOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER IS!!!!!!!!!!!: We are good friends.
Anyone who tries to jeopardize the relations between us should be watched closely with extreme prejudice.
IF our relations gets cold, TERRORISTS WIN!
Hey, you can bring all the terrorism in the world to the table right now. Even if we would disagree on things, it's a small thing considering how important our friendship is. It's like becoming enemies with your best friend over some prostitute.
People get pissed off all the time, but we need to stay tight, that's it. REMEMBER who your friends are, and don't make mistakes who your REAL enemies are. Even if many European countries disagree with US foreign policies, so what, is it something worth losing the relations over? NO! It's nothing!
And if the US decides to take action somewhere, is it worth for us Euros to get cold on the US? NO!
Mark my words, we must remember the important things over the small things. We have only seen the beginning and if we end up losing relations, we'll see a whole lot more.
I can't even believe how stupid it is. Europe and US should just shake hands and kiss up, it's just ****ing stupid that's what it is. Get things in perspective here. |
I second this. But every Euro but you seems to exhibit unending hostility to the United States. France, weilding its veto, goes out of its way to hamstring American foreign policy and to opening interfere in American elections.
Cooperation, if that is what Europe wants, is a two way street. The Europeans have to junk their Bush bashing and fashionable hatred of America. Such attitudes cause amazingly vitriolic reactions in many if not most Americans. You ask the average American his opinion about France, and he or she will say something really nasty.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:34
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Yeah well. I'm saying it's two way street too. Both are to blame for this all. And furthermore, I don't even see us having REAL problems. Only disagreement in some policies, big deal! It's important things, absolutely, but relations are wayyy more important, so instead of pointing fingers we should forget about it.
There is no 'what Europe wants'. There are many countries, all have different goals. We get whole lots of *****ing from the EU too being "difficult negotiating" the miltiary alliance in the future. Because we allegedly didn't let little things go but started arguing with the dots and words. That's pretty stupid don't you think? IF you're making alliance, you better get it right and not mess it up like 'just write something down'. Thus, we have not signed it because others didn't like it. IMO they can have their little puny alliances that falls apart the first time **** flies.
This is what I mean, don't believe these stupid people who try to convince you we are not your real friends. And we shouldn't believe anyone who says US is bigger threat than terrorists.
All these people, they want to separate us, for what? What good will come out of that? I just want to know what it is. I haven't come up with anything yet. But I can come up with thousand BAD things that comes out of it. It's just not near worth it, thinking value wise and in the relation level anyway. There is no dimension where this would be a good move and I can see only terrorists winning BIG in this dispute. THat's far more they asked for.
And Americans can bash me too, I don't care. Well I care but it won't change my mind of being friends now and in the future. It's far more important than me being insulted.
But as for som European countries expressing some warmed up feelings towards countries that are enemies or friends of enemies.. that's the last road to walk and they can all feel my wrath!
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ErikM
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
All these people, they want to separate us, for what? What good will come out of that? |
Balance of power.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:34
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Duvan, exactly. And it worries me that there is active discussion about this. People make things bigger than life so easy. It's almost the same "Real Madrid won the championships" and then someone yells "LET'S NUKE THE WORLD". The reasons are just as good, the logic behind is just as good and reasonable people can't understand wtf do these people have in their drinking water.
People should be able to look few moves further than just the next step. I guess we're not able to do that. The ultimate bad cop good cop tactics seems to be extremely efficient, and we are TOO STUPID to see it. If we devide, if we really want that (or some people, I don't want it), yeah let's give the power from West away. Who will get it? China? That's nice. Let's diminish our own power, because some terrorists sent few letters.
I'm telling you guys, these days it seems to be very cheap to get power. We should not even have our own army, we can just send letters and talk bad behind others backs and make friends enemies and see them falling and just grab it. Cheap, easy and fun.
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