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Should this be allowed?
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15.38% |
| Yes |
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34.62% |
| Its up to the CPU if they want him |
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15.38% |
| Its up to Tass/Googlie |
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34.62% |
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26 voters |
100% |
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Enigma_Nova
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Okay... I'm back from the shadows.
I don't remember the past, so no comment.
I suppose I still want a piece of the action here...
I wonder if there's a Cyconian position available.
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Jamski
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lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
May 2002
time: 05:34
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But you love me as a pessimist so I don't feel the need to change. |
'Tis true.
* Jamski has happy memories of Kody, Vev, HongHu, Octavian, Micha, Mead, Franky, etc... *
The Hive was a great team, and I'm proud to have been a member, and I'm always going to have good memories of it. It went downhill when the team became too focused on winnng the game, to the exclusion of having fun.
And I remember Kody straining at the flood control 
-Jam
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GeoModder
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The most erratic Overlord!
Jan 2004
time: 06:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
Okay... I'm back from the shadows.
I don't remember the past, so no comment.
I suppose I still want a piece of the action here...
I wonder if there's a Cyconian position available. |
Spoiling for a fight, errr? 
Despite all talks about changing factions here, there is still a rule. And as long as that rule is in effect, and even a teams authoriser refuses to admit 'defectors' from other factions on a wimp, no one should be allowed to move over. At least, not as long as their home faction exists.
As in general, IF that rule is trashed, a 2 turn waiting period seems appropriate for those moving to another faction. About leaking info, well, defectors are offen tempted by their new homeland to do so. It all depends for what reasons the 'defections' happen.
I hereby seek refugee asylum in the censored faction in case things become that bad... 
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Octavian X
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Probably buried under piles of Literature, Biology, or Government homework
Jan 2002
time: 23:34
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I'm tempted to agree with Comrade Tassadar. If we are to allow defections at all (which I will add, were banned, after Tassadar jumped from Uni to the Hive when the game began), which I believe we should not, there should be a two, if not five, turn waiting period, as well as a strict gag order in regard to prior knowledge.
Then again, I'm still against defections. There's too much danger in it to think about, really. And, again, I'll point to our own god Tass's defection and the ban placed on them oh so long ago.
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Mead
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I'm against it.
I didn't vote yet, but I thought the game worked as you stick with the faction you joined. Kind of like for better or worse.
Mead
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Comrade Tassadar
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Changes made to the poll:
Subtracted 1 no vote (Mine) and put it over in the "Let Tass/Googlie Decide" column
Added 1 no vote
Added a 3 day timelimit (to make it a total of 5 days).
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Comrade Tassadar
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Because, some people for whatever reason might now want me to decide.
If people want to change their no votes, then they'll have to tell me to do so.
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FlameFlash
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Minnesota, USA
Dec 2001
time: 23:34
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Well, the thing is, Tass, I know I, for one, chose to vote for you and Goog to choose because I expected a little more... discussion prior to a decision (like actually waiting for the poll results and discussion to finalize) and deciding from there, kind of the xenobanana, but instead you come out and say "I'll clearly just say no".
Not what I was expecting, which is why just a new poll with clearer options would be better.
As it is, I'd have to request for my 'let the gods decide' to be changed to a clear yes, even though there needs to be some extra discussion as to the terms, which was why I voted 'let the gods decide' in the first place.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Changed.
And the rationale for my decision has already been given....As if it wasn't clear enough But I'll give it again:
Jamski knows a lot about the Hive. The Hive and the CyCon are having "tense relations".
Jamski, knowing all he knows about the Hive, might go to CyCon and reveal that information willingly or unwillingly.
He would know the locatino of every major base.....Perhaps what that base is building, what surrounds it, which bases have been given "priority" in the past, etc etc...
Imagine if military plans, diplomatic plans, heck even the password were given out....
Not only that, but we need to stick with one thing. If the rules are constantly changing....One minute spying is allowed, the next it isn't, the next it is....One minute defections are allowed, the next they aren't, the next they are, and the next they aren't....It's confusing, especially for new players or players who want to join the game.
And again, going back to the main point: What if information was leaked? Or perhaps covertly coerced? You may think I'm just being paranoid, however I, in my experience as CMN, do believe that this game has been rife with people who are willing to break the rules. Such a thing is much easier to see from above when looking at everything as a whole.
Thus, I don't think defections are a good idea and I also think if we make a rule, we should stick with it for at least till the end of the game instead of do this flip-flop thing.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Ah, but we don't know how much longer the game will last. We don't know if it'll end next turn or if 20 turns will pass before it ends. Surprises can happen.
Second....If we're talking about important bases, base locations, etc....That's probablty not going to outdate for quite some time unless something major happens (In real world terms: Unless Moscow is nuked, Moscow will still remain the most important city in Russia.).
And again, at this point it makes the *most* difference. CyCon and the Hive are in a tense relationship, and if someone knew of the....strategies of the other, then it would completly mess things up if that got out.
And no, deliberate cheating doesn't require that, but people will go to many lengths in order to justify immoral behaviors and this just gives them more fodder...
And the point has already been made: Inadvertant release of information is most certainly a possibility and I would say even inevitable given the situation.
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Trithemius
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Canberra, Australia
May 2003
time: 14:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Changed.
And the rationale for my decision has already been given....As if it wasn't clear enough But I'll give it again:
Jamski knows a lot about the Hive. The Hive and the CyCon are having "tense relations".
Jamski, knowing all he knows about the Hive, might go to CyCon and reveal that information willingly or unwillingly.
He would know the locatino of every major base.....Perhaps what that base is building, what surrounds it, which bases have been given "priority" in the past, etc etc...
Imagine if military plans, diplomatic plans, heck even the password were given out....
Not only that, but we need to stick with one thing. If the rules are constantly changing....One minute spying is allowed, the next it isn't, the next it is....One minute defections are allowed, the next they aren't, the next they are, and the next they aren't....It's confusing, especially for new players or players who want to join the game.
And again, going back to the main point: What if information was leaked? Or perhaps covertly coerced? You may think I'm just being paranoid, however I, in my experience as CMN, do believe that this game has been rife with people who are willing to break the rules. Such a thing is much easier to see from above when looking at everything as a whole.
Thus, I don't think defections are a good idea and I also think if we make a rule, we should stick with it for at least till the end of the game instead of do this flip-flop thing. |
The answer is clear (to me)!
Jamski and all other defectors (Hong Hu?) should join PEACE. Its not like PEACE can make a lot of use of "sensitive military information" right now... although... I guess we could sell it...
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