19-03-2004 23:12									#1
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Been out of TOT for a long time, and have started poking about at it again.

Something that always bugged me - the stringy noodle maps. Is there some way to get better maps in this game? CTP2 had great maps - continents felt like continents. In TOT, sometimes I expect to see a lump of cheese with a searching mouse, the coninents are so confusing.

Any untilities out to make better ones?

Bluevoss-

	20-03-2004 13:53									#2
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There certainly is...
http://www.cix.co.uk/~spot/civmapgen/CivMapGen.htm

It's the only civ2 random map generator I know, but it's great.

You'll also find out you can make maps more than 3 times larger! But you seem to prefer smaller maps...

	21-03-2004 03:50									#3
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MU,

Thanks for that link! I pulled it down and gave it a shot and had no problems. Started a couple of games to take a look at how it situated me and all, and it worked out fine. No more noodles!

Only problem is that it flashes a thumb of the map up that you've generated- I can overcome this by clicking on the mapgen dialog, which drops the thumbnail back and hides it. Looked around but did not see any other way to not have it show the thumb.

Great tool - this will really make the game into what I wanted!

Bluevoss-

	22-03-2004 14:58									#4
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You can suppress the preview by setting the thumbnail size to 0.

	22-03-2004 18:02									#5
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I'll give that a shot - didn't even think of that. Was looking for some sort of on-off toggle...

Playing my first TOT game with a new map, and really am enjoying it. I'm just on a continent - not some sort of stringy nightmare where I don't know where it stops or ends. With a normal sized map and seven races (and given Mapgens method of putting in decent sized oceans), were having all sorts of fun ancient battles. Two races have already been extinguised (but not by me). Mapgen's really made the game good for me.

Thanks again for the pointers.

Bluevoss-

	30-03-2004 00:00									#6
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If you are interested, I have some original TOT maps that I've made. They are mostly continents and realistic in terms of the placement of deserts, forests, and stuff.

	30-03-2004 10:26									#7
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>>>"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -- Thomas Jefferson<<<

Not to go off topic, but what about "Charity"? No other religion seems to promote it like Christianity. And all governments that promote it do becuase of christian moraility that is part of their makeup.

Just questioning Tommy.

BV-

	30-03-2004 20:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Bluevoss >>>"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." -- Thomas Jefferson<<< Not to go off topic, but what about "Charity"? No other religion seems to promote it like Christianity. And all governments that promote it do becuase of christian moraility that is part of their makeup. Just questioning Tommy. BV-

I found this quote

"A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus"

Evidently TJ expressed his admiration for the ETHICS of the Gospels, but not for Christianity as a religion. Dont mind Sava, he likes to provoke. And please take any further religious discussion to the Off Topic Forum.

	30-03-2004 20:57									#9
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No prob - I always take the underdog position - its what makes me a liberal democrat.

BV-

	07-04-2004 06:31									#10
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How do I make big huge maps?

Map editor won't cut it.

Don't forget that charity is also a tenet in Islam. My Indonesian friend donates 2.5% of her gross annual income to the poor every year.

I have no carrot.

	07-04-2004 17:32									#11
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There are all sorts of ways to make gigamaps...

What map editor do you have? ToT doesn't come with one, so do you have the MGE one, or an earlier version's map editor?

Well, in any case, there's "my" adjusted Test of Time Map Editor. That's basically the MGE editor, except adjusted to work with ToT. It can create and edit gigamaps.

If you already have the MGE map editor, and don't mind using multiple utilities, you can use MapEdit (or even CivMapGen) to create a gigamap, and then open it up with the MGE map editor (it can edit them, but not create them).

If all you want is to play regular games on civ2-generated random gigamaps, you can get the ToT no-limits patch.

MapEdit and the ToT map editor are available here:
http://www.civgaming.net/mercator/mapedit/

CivMapGen I linked to earlier, and the ToT no-limits patch should be in the Apolyton directory.

	14-04-2004 07:17									#12
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I've got great results with the CivMapGen but I've noticed that when I play them there are tons of huts, like every 5-10 spaces! Anyone experience this?

	14-04-2004 13:42									#13
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Um... That's always the case. They're part of a fixed pattern, so CivMapGen can't affect them in any way.

The only thing I can think of is that CivMapGen generates maps with larger, or more continuous, landmasses than you're used to. So you see more of them, simply because there's more land.

	15-04-2004 02:32									#14
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That does makes sense. Thanks.

	26-04-2004 05:28									#15
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I haven't had much success with that map gen. The maps it makes are really messed up.

	26-04-2004 16:05									#16
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In what way?

By the way, I wouldn't mind seeing those maps you mentioned earlier..

	03-05-2004 19:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Mercatore Uno In what way?

arctic and tundra get placed like poka-dots all over the maps, same with... basically, I can't get nice uniform terrain placement.

quote: By the way, I wouldn't mind seeing those maps you mentioned earlier..

I'm not sure how to make pics of the maps, but I can attach them here if you want.

	04-05-2004 22:16									#18
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I don't know how that can happen? There are plenty of settings to tweak. Especially the Climate and Temperature fine tuning settings should be able to fix it.
By using the "Same Layout" button you can better spot the differences between the settings too...

Could you attach them?

	11-05-2004 22:22									#19
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Sure Mercatore... I'll create another thread for maps.