15-04-2004 23:42									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III PS: No wonder that the opposition against the US presence there took that to compare the USA with the Mongols (a very frequent comparison in Iraq).

I must have missed the part where we razed Fallujah and killed all the men of fighting age.

	16-04-2004 00:05									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Well, such things happen in many wars. After taking Baghdad, the US troops did nothing to prevent that the national library burnt to the ground because they needed to secure the Oil Ministery... PS: No wonder that the opposition against the US presence there took that to compare the USA with the Mongols (a very frequent comparison in Iraq).

Because the "National Library" of a authoritarian regime is easily on par with that of Constaintinople or Alexandria.

	16-04-2004 00:06									#243
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Constantinople didn't have much of a library when it fell to the Turks.

	16-04-2004 00:17									#244
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The Analogy is the same.

	17-04-2004 02:48									#245
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@DinoDoc: I was just stating what Iraqis think and say.

@Lonestar: You're obviously a complete ignorant if you really mean what you wrote. The National Library didn't consist of 95% Saddam propaganda and a few newspaper but was an institution where many expensive and highly valuable old manuscripts and historical and very rare books were stored (like in most NLs). Same goes for the archive which burnt too. The historian shudders when thinking about the material which has been lost that day. It was not so much the NL "of an authoritarian regime" (what an euphemism for Saddam's totalitarianism)but the NL of the Iraq and most what it contained existed before Saddam too. It's like saying that the looting of the museum and taking away the mesopotamian items was OK because a)it's the museum of an authoritarian regime and b)the museum is not as big as that in London.
And it's absolutely comparable with the burning of the more famous library of Alexandria because the critic is about theattitude to burn down libraries, or to let it happen, which has been the case much more often in history than not, or to think it's just OK to do so in case of authoritarian regimes...

	18-04-2004 01:58									#246
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The Arab didnot have to take Alex by force the city surr to then. When the fire broke out in the city the arab's along with the local try to put it out. The arab's along with the local people save over 90 % of the scrolls and books in the libarary there. When the Muslum defeat the Chiness army in Centeral Asia they learn how to make paper and got than fix type printing press tech from the Chiness which enable the Muslum to mass copy
books to put in many libraries at once.

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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III @DinoDoc: I was just stating what Iraqis think and say.

1) You agreed with the comparison.
2) I was pointing out that the comparison was stupid.

	18-04-2004 02:37									#248
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc 1) You agreed with the comparison. 2) I was pointing out that the comparison was stupid.

Iraq is going to turn out worst than Vietman for America. First our total Army manpower is 450,000 men compare to 2000000 manpower in 1968.

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Welcome, Ancyrean. And thanks to Mollon, Patikis, Ancyrean and all the other for such an interesting argument It's one of these threads in the OFF-TOPIC where you end actually learning some things

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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III . @Lonestar: You're obviously a complete ignorant if you really mean what you wrote. The National Library didn't consist of 95% Saddam propaganda and a few newspaper but was an institution where many expensive and highly valuable old manuscripts and historical and very rare books were stored (like in most NLs). Same goes for the archive which burnt too. The historian shudders when thinking about the material which has been lost that day. It was not so much the NL "of an authoritarian regime" (what an euphemism for Saddam's totalitarianism)but the NL of the Iraq and most what it contained existed before Saddam too. It's like saying that the looting of the museum and taking away the mesopotamian items was OK because a)it's the museum of an authoritarian regime and b)the museum is not as big as that in London. And it's absolutely comparable with the burning of the more famous library of Alexandria because the critic is about theattitude to burn down libraries, or to let it happen, which has been the case much more often in history than not, or to think it's just OK to do so in case of authoritarian regimes...

What do you want me to say? We have priceless knowledge lost forever? It's a damn, damn shame that it burned down, but now more than ever the knowledge will persevere. Unlike before when invading forces burned down the Library, the Coalition (sensible) opted to defend the infatsructure that would best help Iraq recover.

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@DinoDoc: I didn't agree but it's no wonder when the library burns down that someone uses that to draw analogies. It's "understanding" in the way of being able to kunderstand the mechanics, not consenting, why do people always have problems "understanding" that?

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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III @DinoDoc: I didn't agree but it's no wonder when the library burns down that someone uses that to draw analogies. It's "understanding" in the way of being able to kunderstand the mechanics, not consenting, why do people always have problems "understanding" that?

That why the Chiness and arab use the printing press they have to print more than one copy of than book at a time. It was than fix type press where you where unable to change the type on the plate unlike the removeable type plate use today( you can remove the type to change what the plate print.). In Dark age Eupore as well as medival Eupore it took over 1 year for a scribe to copy the bibble by hand. Than arab printer could turn out afew thousand copy of the Koran or any other book. The germ theory of illness is than Muslum idear as the Moslum Doctor in the Dark Age of Europe taught and believe that illness was cause by than invisural agents they could not see with the naked eyes. The same as Pauster the French Chemist theory.

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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff That why the Chiness and arab use the printing press they have to print more than one copy of than book at a time. It was than fix type press where you where unable to change the type on the plate unlike the removeable type plate use today( you can remove the type to change what the plate print.). In Dark age Eupore as well as medival Eupore it took over 1 year for a scribe to copy the bibble by hand. Than arab printer could turn out afew thousand copy of the Koran or any other book. The germ theory of illness is than Muslum idear as the Moslum Doctor in the Dark Age of Europe taught and believe that illness was cause by than invisural agents they could not see with the naked eyes. The same as Pauster the French Chemist theory.

Can someone translate?

	19-04-2004 23:28									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Can someone translate?

Louis Pauter who make the rabit vaccin (from animal bite) was than chemist not than medical doctor. His germ theory he stole from the Muslum of the Europe Dark Age. The Muslum Doctor of the 8th century came up with than theory that all illness are cause by agents which are invistaulal to the naked eyes. Today we call then bactural and viris which cannot be seen with the naked eyes.

The Muslum Doctoe also said small pox is than illness that doesnot come from any animal but than human only illness which is correct.