20-03-2004 23:45									#1
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If Kurdish nationalism sparks civil war in Iraq, Iran and Turkey, should the Greeks retake the city they founded and the Greek areas of asia minor?

	20-03-2004 23:48									#2
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It didn't work the last time they tried it. Greeks would have to go Stalinist if they are that stupid.

	20-03-2004 23:49									#3
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Istanbul is so thoroughly Turkish that the only way the Greeks could hold it would be to exterminate the existing population and supplant it with Greek colonials. Not exactly approved of in this day and age.

	20-03-2004 23:52									#4
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Why don't they simply rename the EU, "Romania," admit Turkey, move the EU capital to Istanbul, and rename it Nova Roma.

The "Empire" would be restored in a sense.

	20-03-2004 23:53									#5
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BTW, don't you guys think that the EU should have the permanent seats on the UN SC, rather than the UK and France?

	20-03-2004 23:55									#6
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quote: BTW, don't you guys think that the EU should have the permanent seats on the UN SC, rather than the UK and France?

Why?

	20-03-2004 23:55									#7
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There isn't a pan-EU foreign policy, so no.

	20-03-2004 23:56									#8
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StLeo, that was around WW1 iirc. Anyway, why would they have to "go Stalinist"?

Boris, consider that the land was originally Greek land. So what you say? Well, in the US west the indians are taking back land all over the place because it was once theirs. Europeans love that stuff, they should love Byzantium for the Greeks.

Ned, who asked you?

	20-03-2004 23:56									#9
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Well, Big Crunch, you should move in that direction.

	20-03-2004 23:58									#10
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How about we just take away the French seat?

	21-03-2004 00:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer How about we just take away the French seat?

Lancer, you get it.

	21-03-2004 00:02									#12
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Good thought Lance.


I have often pondered how Turkey is going to except the {NEW & improved G.W.} Iraq?

	21-03-2004 00:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Why don't they simply rename the EU, "Romania," admit Turkey, move the EU capital to Istanbul, and rename it Nova Roma. The "Empire" would be restored in a sense.

I expect Italy and Romania would object to that.

	21-03-2004 00:06									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Mercatore Uno I expect Italy and Romania would object to that.

Romania has that name for a reason. I am sure they will also it same to be restored to a greated "Roman Empire."

I have no idea why Italy would object to Istanbul being restored to its former name.

	21-03-2004 00:11									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ned BTW, don't you guys think that the EU should have the permanent seats on the UN SC, rather than the UK and France?

Only when it's an acutal country.

	21-03-2004 00:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Anyway, why would they have to "go Stalinist"?

Because Koningsberg/Kaliningrad is the only known instance of this sort of idiocy "working".

	21-03-2004 00:14									#17
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quote: should the Greeks retake the city they founded and the Greek areas of asia minor?

for now, i'm uniting the world in the Alexander CTW Campaign or Rise of Nations: Thrones & Patriots

When i finish that up.....

	21-03-2004 00:15									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Istanbul is so thoroughly Turkish that the only way the Greeks could hold it would be to exterminate the existing population and supplant it with Greek colonials. Not exactly approved of in this day and age.

Well, it worked for the Turks. Oh, you said "this day and age".

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"Good thought Lance.


I have often pondered how Turkey is going to except the {NEW & improved G.W.} Iraq?"

Not alot of choice I would guess. What concerns me more is how hard the Kurds are going to push their luck. I think it was Oerdin that said that the Iraqis are nationalistic towards Iraq as the Kurds are towards Kurdistan. Might have been Oerdin... Anyway if the Kurds start their own country out of their corner of Iraq then the Turks will invade or face a civil war at home. The Kurds would fight of course...

I wonder how the US would react? How the newly independant Iraq would react?

	21-03-2004 00:18									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I am sure they will also it same to be restored to a greated "Roman Empire."

Do you speak English?

quote: I have no idea why Italy would object to Istanbul being restored to its former name.

They would't mind Byzantium, but "Nova Roma" would be a bit much. Not to mention Istanbul becoming the capital of this "Roman Empire" rather than Rome.

	21-03-2004 00:19									#21
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quote: Well, it worked for the Turks. Oh, you said "this day and age".

you mean that in the 1950's (Constantinople) or 1970's (Cyprus) mass removal of thousands of people from their homes was considered ok?

	21-03-2004 00:20									#22
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In the middle of a Turkish/Kurd civil war I can well imagine the Marcos and the other Greeks stepping in to, erm, 'restore order'. In the process, purely by accident, restoring Byzantium...

	21-03-2004 00:25									#23
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well, i'm already on greek-turkish borders, it wont be hard to start the campaign

seriously though, Greece didnt use the opportunities of the last 15 years to "free" (for example) the greek minority in albania so i dont think you should have any fear about us going to restore byzantium.....

we're just going to take the world via a massive pop-up campaign....

	21-03-2004 00:25									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Well, it worked for the Turks. Oh, you said "this day and age". you mean that in the 1950's (Constantinople) or 1970's (Cyprus) mass removal of thousands of people from their homes was considered ok?

No I mean the massacre of the Byzantines inhabiting Constantinople when it fell in the 15th century.

	21-03-2004 00:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Mercatore Uno Do you speak English? They would't mind Byzantium, but "Nova Roma" would be a bit much. Not to mention Istanbul becoming the capital of this "Roman Empire" rather than Rome.

It will just restore the situation to its status quo after Constantine.

Besides, "Nova Roma" is what the capital of the Empire was called.

	21-03-2004 00:53									#26
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I restore the Byzantine Empire all the time... In Europa Univerlis 2.

	21-03-2004 01:09									#27
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There never was an empire known as the Byzantine Empire. It was known as the Roman Empire or as Romania.

	21-03-2004 01:13									#28
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Then what is that thing that I 'know' as the Byzantine Empire? Cottage cheese?

	21-03-2004 01:20									#29
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quote: Originally posted by DataAeolus Then what is that thing that I 'know' as the Byzantine Empire? Cottage cheese?

That was a label affixed to the Eastern Roman Empire by some Brit Historian. The label seems to have become fixed in our minds. The people themselves were Romans. Their nation was the Roman Empire or Romania.

	21-03-2004 01:30									#30
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"we're just going to take the world via a massive pop-up campaign...."