21-03-2004 05:05									#1
	Attention: CGN did not receive the loan Got spare money?

This is the log. Miccofl ofcourse suspects lucky to be behind it, I hope he isn't.

quote: miccofl: Anybody here? miccofl: The loan did not arrive as promised :???: Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died: Yes me, but I was at the phone miccofl: Could you make an enquiry as to what happened with the loan of 600 gold please. Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died: we send it to you Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died: I was there when arnelos sent it miccofl: it did not arrive in the save miccofl: we may have a problem miccofl: especially in light of last evenings discussions Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died: shall I call MZ in here miccofl: ok * MasterZen has joined #isdg-Embassy1 MasterZen: hello miccofl: hello MasterZen: I just heard, the loan didn't go through?? miccofl: nope Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died: But I was there when Arn sent it * Aidun-Queen-mum_has_died is now known as Aidun MasterZen: oh man.. MasterZen: please tell me this is a pre April Fools joke... miccofl: sorry, it is not miccofl: [03/19 21:49] Chieftess: You can even see treaties, too! miccofl: [03/19 21:49] Zarn: crikey miccofl: [03/19 21:49] Zarn: talk about a loophole miccofl: [03/19 21:51] Chieftess: This isn't good... you can export the entire thing to a scenario! Aidun: you would suggest that there has been cheated? Aidun: I did read that chatlog miccofl: I would suggest that the possibility exists Aidun: MZ can we check if we really lost 600 g Aidun: I remember that Arn confirmed it twice. Aidun: but perhaps something went wrong miccofl: you wouldn't lose it until we accepted MasterZen: nope, we can't Aidun: Miccofl - right, I didn't know that miccofl: Treat it as a bug, replay from your last turn and see if it happens again? MasterZen: perhaps MasterZen: although I can just hear the GCA and GWT protests.... Aidun: the problem is that we can't make clear why we want to replay Aidun: that would reveal too much miccofl: exactly, and that is why mongoose201 will have to call for the replay Aidun: so we have to contact mongoose * Trip has joined #isdg-Embassy1 MasterZen: pretty much Aidun: I'm looking up the turnchat now Aidun: I can't quote it here, but it is stated. miccofl: I will accept that as confirmation and contact mongoose Aidun: perhaps our two teams should contact him at the same time and have together a chat with him? miccofl: you should contact him also, I didn't suggest a chat Aidun: we'll do so * MasterZen has quit IRC (Quit: )

So it's now up to the consuls to take action.

Aidun

	21-03-2004 07:16									#2
	Inflate your Upload Space

I sent 600 gold to CGN accepted. I can think of no reason why it would not show up. I am absolutely 100% certain that I offered the money and hit accept. I even deducted 600 gold from our treasury for setting up the thread for the next turn because I knew I'd sent it.

Why on earth would the gift not go through?

Last edited by Arnelos on 21-03-2004 at 07:28

	21-03-2004 07:52									#3
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I asked SL3 of CGN to send me the not_save and checked it. There is no record of the gift anywhere...

Also of note is that CFC's gift of 40g and WM was not sent ot us accepted this turn, but unaccepted (though that may have just been CFC's mistake).

If this is indeed a bug, we may just have to ask Mongoose to use C3MT to deduct 600g from Apolyton's treasury and add 600g to CGN's treasury.

	21-03-2004 07:56									#4
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Chat with SL3, the new Premier of CGN, about this:

quote: Arnelos> I am 100% certain that I offered 600 gold to CGN (Sultan Omar leaderhead) and, hit accept, and sent it. Arnelos> I honestly can't think of a reason other than a bug that it wouldn't go through. Arnelos> I am *certain* that the money was sent Arnelos> miccofl - can we get the not_save? We could check what happened on our end Arnelos> Master Zen is reporting that he ran into a similar problem in another PTW PBEM game Trip> miccofl isn't in charge of that stuff any more Arnelos> we want to check if that's the issue... if so, there apparently is a way to work around the problem Arnelos> whatever, SL3 SL3> sorry SL3> I wasnt here SL3> helping the kids setup a xbox network SL3> what is a not_save Trip> basically you skip through all the CGN moves on your turn Trip> save it and send it along to us as an unofficial save Trip> so we can see what's changed on our turn Trip> it'll help us root out what the loan bug is SL3> okay SL3> I will do that right now SL3> should I send it to all as usual or since it isnt a offical save and we are trouble shooting a problem should I just send it to 1 or 2 people Trip> go ahead and send it as usual Trip> some of the citizenry likes to see what's changed, even in the unofficial ones :P Trip> make sure to label it in the .SAV file though that it isn't official SL3> sent Trip> thanks SL3> what is mongoose201 e-mail address for the turns SL3> I want to make sure I sent it to him too Arnelos> lemme check SL3> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. SL3> SL3> Delivery to the following recipients failed. SL3> SL3> TripGoT@hotmail.com Arnelos> intersitepbem@mongoose201.com SL3> thanks Arnelos> got the not_save Trip> hmmm Trip> probably have too much in my inbox... Arnelos> btw, it's AD, not BC SL3> thanks SL3> did I do that last turn too SL3> all I do is click save, didnt think I changed anything SL3> or rename anything Arnelos> Arnelos> 4we still have ~800 gold in our treasury Arnelos> Arnelos> the 600g gift also does not show up in the negotiations with CGN Arnelos> Arnelos> bizarre SL3> yes I was very surprised that we didnt at least get a diplomacy screen Arnelos> Arnelos> my suspicion is that this may be the bug MZ mentioned Arnelos> Trip> maybe they went bankrupt :P Arnelos> Arnelos> if so, apparently giving the 600g to CFC and CFC giving it to CGN might work??? though that's still over a turnbreak, thus the bug??? Arnelos> We definately need to let Mongoose know about this Arnelos> it may be possible to use C3MT to just deduct 600g from the Apolyton treasury and add it to the CGN treasury SL3> I'm not familar with C3MT SL3> and that would be a mongoose201 job Arnelos> It's a utility that I believe Gramphos made that lets you edit game data. You need the admin password for a game to use it, but I believe that it will let you edit most things from what I've heard. Arnelos> We had suspected it once as one of the things GCA might have used, but there is no chance that GCA used it if Mongoose can reproduce GCA's military results... seeing as C3MT will let you outright REMOVE units, but not change battle odds, etc, AFAIK Arnelos> be sure to mention this if anyone sees Mongoose around Arnelos> we need to let him know and perhaps get him to help fix it SL3> that is what I was looking for SL3> does he know Arnelos> not yet

	21-03-2004 07:57									#5
	Full PM-box? Change here!

If anyone sees Mongoose in #isdgfamtalks or the CGN embassy channel, please mention this.

	21-03-2004 10:23									#6
	Re: Attention: CGN did not receive the loan Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Aidun This is the log. Miccofl of course suspects lucky to be behind it, I hope he isn't.

Okay, that's complete and utter BS. Editing out a gift of gold offered by one team to another?

I bet if they start disbanding cities as GWT advances they'll forget they did it and blame it on Lucky hacking the save...

	21-03-2004 15:39									#7
	Inflate your Upload Space

I'm sure it was more of a tonque in cheek comment by miccofl than anything else. He's just sure, as most of us are, that Lucky has cheated in the past and is taking jabs at him when ever and where ever possible.

We all know what I think about Lucky; but even I don't think he'd scew with our gold deal. micoffl is just venting a little steam; don't read more into it than that.

	24-03-2004 23:52									#8
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I dont know if this was ever put to rest or not so:

I was chatting with miccofl last night and he confirmed that they have the gold.

Im not going to post the chat because other than just BSing thats the only business info that was exchanged.