08-05-2000 16:19									#31
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MikeH on 05-08-2000 06:54 AM</font>
People like breaking rules.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>is that an unchangeable fact of life , or is there something that can be done?

	08-05-2000 16:37									#32
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I think it's an unchangeable fact of life.

People like breaking rules they don't agree with more than ones they do. If people are constantly breaking one rule then it's probably a problem with the rule rather than the punishment for breaking the rule.

	08-05-2000 17:13									#33
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>More like the HARDMAN ...

In fact it can be good to break rules, so that way often old, overcome rules come down and we all can learn from that. Everybody did know that he'd get banned and voila. It's like getting a yellow or red card in a football game.

And life goes on, even if you're banned

	08-05-2000 17:13									#34
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MikeH on 05-08-2000 07:37 AM</font>
If people are constantly breaking one rule then it's probably a problem with the rule rather than the punishment for breaking the rule.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>people kill for thousands of years despite any kind of law against it. is the law wrong?

	08-05-2000 17:23									#35
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how about it now Karsten?
does it sound less like a nazi announcement?

	08-05-2000 17:25									#36
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Maybe not the rule is wrong, but the way it was handled. Posting a thread saying "don't post here or you'll get banned" HAS to lead to that absurd result, it was a provocation. In fact I was waiting the whole day for the first one to post there (and, in fact, I wasn't brave enough )

Reminds me of an old jike:
A farmer had an apple tree with a lot of delicious red apples. So, to keep away the thieves he put a sign to the tree saying "one of these apples is poisoned". The next day someone changed the sign to "two apples of these tree are poisoned"

	08-05-2000 17:36									#37
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Perfect, Mark! U R all banned!
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	08-05-2000 18:26									#38
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Hmmmm.....

I still think it was cute

Hell,If I had not been playing that addictive game of smac, then I to probably would have been banned as I skim rather than read the whole post word for word.

If I had said I was sorry would I have still been banned?


glad your still here Karsten

	08-05-2000 19:01									#39
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I'm sorry, I have in the past been amongst the first to support the actions of the Admins and Moderators, but on this occasion - although I know nothing of the issue in question and the righteousness or otherwise of the punishments I must object strongly to the expression "*******" used extensively in the opening post of this thread.
Yes, Markos, it is your forum and you can say exactly what you want, but I find this extremely offensive - perhaps we are separated by a common language.
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	08-05-2000 19:09									#40
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sorry for that, it was a joke
read the posts between me and karsten above you...

	08-05-2000 19:19									#41
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LOL, I'm afraid you have to ban yourself now, Mark

	08-05-2000 20:32									#42
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I wasn't going to post about this, but here goes.

It really bothers me when people complain about these things. This happens all the time, somebody will say "Don't do X or Y will happen" people do X and then complain about Y.

I read Ming's post and I may not have agreed with saying nobody could post in that thread. But if you know what the result of your actions will be before taking those actions DON'T complain when you ignore that information.

	08-05-2000 20:53									#43
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While I will admit I was probably being optomistic about people's ability to act in a proper fashion, it's not like what happened was just a spontaneous event.

MattHiggs told me on ICQ that he was bored and spent hours on ICQ setting up the "revolution" His intent was to earn himself the "village idiot" title that he has been demanding on these forums for awhile. The whole event was orchastrated by him and a some of his friends. They thought it was a good way to get people to come to the other forums they all have. I feel sorry for all the people who weren't a part of his scam, and got caught up in it. They were the ones that were hurt... supporting a "cause" that was just a planned attack on the Apolyton Site.

Yes, I was indeed stubborn, and the people that posted were being stubborn too. I just wish that they had really understood the "cause" they were supporting... just a simple spam job on Apolyton, set up by somebody looking to be a called a village idiot... go figure...

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	08-05-2000 22:32									#44
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May I respectfully suggest that he be given the title "****"?

	08-05-2000 22:56									#45
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CyberShy asked me to post this for him.

Ming, These guys couldn't settup a revolution this way ! Or did you tell
them in advance that you were going to
setup strange rules they could break so they could start their revolution ?
You try to move the 'cause' to the 'rebels' but the first cause is and stays
the 'don't reply here' statement.
I concider it VERY questionable that you now try to move the 'guilty
question' to these so called revolutionists !
You cannot say 'the result is revolution thus they were already planning
that'
Then you mix up cause and result. That's like "I saw circles in the water
and thought I had to trow a stone into the water asap'
No, those circles are there because you trowed a stone into it.

That some idiots toke the opportunity to start some revolution is their
decision.
If you won't trow stones, the circles won't or will hardly appear. That's
YOUR responsibility as a moderator !
To avoid circles in the water ! What did you expect ? that the stone would
never reach the water ?
That theory of gravity won't work if the moderators don't want it to work ?

Take your own responsibility !

CyberShy

I have at least admitted I was stubborn... More than anybody else has And I will take some blame for being optimistic and thinking that people would act like adults.

But, this was a planned attack on this site set up over ICQ. Yes, I did present them with the opportunity... But they were the ones that went totally overboard with their revolution. Creating double log ons, passing on the word for everybody to post on this thread... and not being very honest with them either. This wasn't some great cause... This was one bored person who want's a "villiage Idiot" title.

So I will "take the blame" for thinking that people might respect the wishes of the owners of this site... you know, guys who have worked their asses off to give you a place to post. But it is a two way street.
I was just bringing up the true nature of this situation to people's attention, because I had the conversation with MattHiggs yesterday. Most people were suckered into helping him on his quest for a stupid villiage idiot title...

When you see speed limit signs on the highway, you can break the limit or not... but if you get caught, you get a ticket.
And you deserve it too.

Same thing here.



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	08-05-2000 23:13									#46
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by KarstenWilli on 05-08-2000 08:25 AM</font>
(and, in fact, I wasn't brave enough )
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I won't call my absence in that thread not being brave. Rather, my superego was stronger than my id by a very narrow margin.

But that thread was VERY tempting

	08-05-2000 23:26									#47
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I must ask a simply (and possibly stupid) question, which may have been asked before:

Why did Ming not close the 150 thread if he did not want people to post in it?

	08-05-2000 23:39									#48
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Simple... It's a pain in the butt to close the thread, open it up again to bump it to keep it near the top, then close it again.

I sure as heck don't get paid for doing this, so I was making it easier on myself.

I mistakenly thought people would understand and respect what I had written. I was just providing a service for those that never bother to read anything at this site except the OTF.
In that, I was really wrong... That I will admit.

But again, it wouldn't have gotten out of hand if SOMEONE decided to use it as an excuse to try to earn himself "the villiage idiot" title... I never saw that coming.

But, people still have to take responsibility for their actions too. When you break a rule, except the punishment and don't whine about it.

The good news is, all those who thought they were supporting a real "freedom" cause, haven't whined at all. It's the ones who were in on the revolution that are still whining... typical.

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	09-05-2000 00:07									#49
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Might it have been easier to have simply created a new closed thread?

	09-05-2000 00:12									#50
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In retrospect... It would have been easier.

Anything would have been easier than what happened. I won't do it that way again in the future.

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	09-05-2000 00:44									#51
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Maybe you should give MattHiggs a custom title: "Settler".
That way, regardless of his post count, he would always be a Settler. This seems to me to be the most appropriate treatment of such profound idiocy.

Murgatroyd

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	09-05-2000 01:00									#52
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Well, as I stated on the other page, He ICQ'ed me wondering if he had earned the "The Village Idiot" title yet. He claimed he "led" the revolution, and spent hours getting people to post. Again, it's too bad that many of the people that posted thought they were supporting the cause of freedom, and all that had happened was one big con job by MattHiggs in his relentless search for a silly title.

But, nah... settler is too good for him, and all his other log ons.

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	09-05-2000 01:48									#53
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"But, nah... settler is too good for him, and all his other log ons."

Ming, is that a hint that Matt *will* have some kind of custom title when he returns?

John-SJ

	09-05-2000 17:14									#54
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logins to be enabled today are.. enabled

Sir_Crusader not enabled due to use of a free mail service. The owner should mail me

Ghost Ham for some strange reason can not be found...

	09-05-2000 18:01									#55
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post count reductions made. from 150 to some 800 posts...

	09-05-2000 18:05									#56
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Sir_Crusader was a double log on... If he e-mails you, it could be interesting

	09-05-2000 18:08									#57
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-09-2000 09:05 AM</font>
Sir_Crusader was a double log on... If he e-mails you, it could be interesting
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>hehe, I had seen the registered e-mail, but I could make an IP match so it is officially considered a regular login

	09-05-2000 18:26									#58
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I'll check my ICQ messages... somebody took credit for that one. I'll get back to you.

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	09-05-2000 19:04									#59
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a funny thing about the "revolution" was that even i could have stopped it, after i posted, i sent a ICQ message to djug so that he would post, first he said no, but eventually he agreed.
After djug posted he got many other ppl to post there too(i got few too ).
Then it REALLY started.

Matthiggs? who's he?
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	09-05-2000 19:26									#60
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Look, I can post again !

Of course I first triple checked if Mark or Ming didn't put somewhere in gray on gray text "Everyone that replies to this thread using the word 'look' in the first line will have to pay us 10 cookies" then I double checked the FAQ for any new rules, I checked (only once since I got bored) if there weren't other threads somewhere I should post my replies to this post in. (I mean, sometimes you're really an idiot if you put a reply to a topic in the same thread ! How stupid have I been)

And last but not least did I check if they didn't sneaky reduce my postcount, and heck, they did ! I used to be 1400 something, but now I'm back to below 1000.

Why Ming ? I didn't create a dl !
Must be a mistake
Whatever, who cares about postcounts

Thanks you for breaking my vacation off 4 days early Markos ! I can hardly wait for the next thingy Be sure it'll happen on thursday or something, I mean, we already got black saturday, bloody thursday might be fun next time !

CyberShy