23-03-2004 08:22									#1
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Received by PM from UnO. See the CoD thread for context.

quote: Greetings from Tabemono! Greetings! I am pleased to know that we FINALLY have contact! As you may know, our trade of contacts unfortunately prevents us from sharing contact with the other teams on this side of the water. However, there was no such stipulation to the map. I am recommending my team gift you our new and up to date map that your team may have an equal understanding of the world as a welcomming gesture. I look forward to many fruitfull negotiations in the future, and should you need to contact Team Tabemono, myself, Kloreep, and Sharpe are the primary contacts as of now, with myself becomming ever more active in that role. - UnOrthOdOx on behalf of Team Tabemono

	23-03-2004 08:49									#2
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We need an ambassador - and we need to think about how to reply.

	23-03-2004 09:18									#3
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After con and I chatted a bit - it was agreed I would be the contact for Tabemono. If anyone lurking out there has been waiting for just this opportunity to get involved - please step forward and the job is yours.

con and I were thinking that we would play the contact this way:

quote: We are in a fight for our lives. If we lose - CoD and Python become uber powers. Help now would be appreciated.

All of which is true.

	23-03-2004 10:05									#4
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Well

Im thinking lets get the map, if we have to "Voxodus"

I would sure like to see whats out there, then next turn turn lets plead our case.

I dont think they will do it but there is a possibility that if they know we are at war with Monty and CoD and they have been pal'ing uo to them we could lose out on the map.

So grab the map via a map trade and then lets send the we are fighting for our lives plea.

	25-03-2004 05:46									#5
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Draft for comments please: (e-mailing to H_E)

UnOrthOdOx of Tabemono

Greetings from the Simian civilization. It is indeed good to hear from you. We only wish that our contact had come at a brighter time in Monkey history. You may or may not be aware that we are currently at war with both Monty Python and Cake or Death, our two “neighbors’ on our continent. This was not a war of our choosing. We Monkey’s were building peacefully when a stack of 17 Python Swords, 5 horse, 4 spears, and 8 catapults showed up adjacent to one of our outlying cities. Python made it clear that their intention was the defeat of the Monkeys and the annexation of our territory. The bizarre thing is that Python’s homeland is in the north end of the continent, Cake or Death in the central, and Monkey in the south. Their current plan, which we have confirmed from them, is to eliminate Monkey and for Python to set up their FP in the south.

This seems strange to us. Our land is not great. They know that from exploration and map trading. And it is reflected in the scores to-date. We have made counter-offers to both Python and CoD (obviously separately) that would make greater sense in the long-term for each of them. It is clear that CoD has convinced Python that this is the way to go, so while Python does the majority of the military dirty work, CoD continues to expand n the central plain of the continent. In that respect, hats off to Arrian for getting Python to buy into the scheme.

The end result however, is desperate times for us Monkeys. We have abandoned 3 frontier cities, and have pulled back to our central core of 7 cities, with one fortified city, Fort Siamang, hanging tough on the isthmus leading to the south. We have also had our GA triggered while we are researching republic. Although not the optimal path, we clearly had no choice as CoD had landed troops on the coast of our core that needed to be dealt with. Our only trump card here is that Park Rangers (ie. numidian mercenaries) do very well on defense.

The other point you should be aware of is that CoD stiffed us on a tech deal for republic. This was some dozen turns before the attack came, and in retrospect, was a harbinger of things to come. We missed the sign. So, to summarize… under what we assume is CoD’s direction, the two civs have deprived us of republic, triggered our GA while in despotism, and have descended en masse with swords, horse and catapults.

Regarding tech deals between Monkey and Tabemono, I cannot think of much that can be done. Republic does not help us. We cannot afford the turns of anarchy with a government change. And as we were already researching it, we will have it done by the end of our GA, assuming our civilization still exists.

The main purpose of this letter is to caution you that if Monkey is eliminated, there will be two uber civs on this continent. However, all is not lost; we are bolstering our defenses. We Monkeys still have some bite left. Therefore, our plea, and also our recommendation, is that if at all possible, Tabemono and other civs muster a military effort, shall we say a crusade, to restore some semblance of a balance of power on our continent. To that end, please feel free to share this information – in fact, this letter – with other civilizations you may be in contact with.

I appreciate the cost and risk involved with inter-continental warfare at this stage of the game, but if CoD and Python are successful with their current plan, they will become a powerful and deadly alliance. There is clearly a downside to inaction. If you have galley access to the north end of our continent, and this is what we assume is the case, we urge you to consider military action as soon as possible.

I full recognize the obvious self-interest with which we ask for you to undertake this. However, I must reiterate the medium and long-term threat that is posed by the CoD and Python alliance.

I also appreciate that my reputation for misinformation may still follow me from the ptwdg and the Vox-GS war. Therefore, I strongly urge you and your team-mates to consult with Hot_Enamel and conmcb25. They can confirm the historical context, the current situation, and our recommendation for military action.

We would be willing to meet in chat to discuss further.

We urge you to consider our recommendation.

Sincerely …Beta of Monkey.

	25-03-2004 06:09									#6
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OK Im still going to be the cautious one here.

Again get the map first then lets spill our guts.

And go ahead and ask for republic, why not?

We might as well get something.

I dont think anyone in there right mind is going to support us in intercontinenntal warfare.

From the scores, I have a feeling there has been a few shots over there already anyway. Just my guess.

But we can still ask, hey maybe they have fuedalism already or something else we can use.

You never know.

	28-03-2004 22:05									#7
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OK - above message sent - I added in:

quote: We would be very interested in a map trading deal - swapping world maps. We can forward our map next turn.

My sense is that UnO will be fine about sharing the map. He apparently is pushing the others for a complete map sharing so we can get the public forum rocking. Which is good.

Also - another thought here. We are researching relatively slowly - and accumulating cash at the rate of +20 gpt.

We may be able to help 'subsidize' a crusade. Say 10 gpt for 20 turns for a nation which helps susbstantially. Not much I agree - but an added incentive.

Ok - if it is a dumb idea- just say so.

	30-03-2004 06:54									#8
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Reply from UnO. Informative, but pretty non-committal. Looks like we need to get contact with LL.

quote: PTWDG II Greetings, First of all, thank you for the lengthy reply PM. Sorry I didn't respond last night, but I just bought Sacred on Friday, and sat down for the first time to play it online last night. I'm afraid with the current situation, we are going ot be unable to send military aid for several reasons, though. Here is a full rundown of THIS side of the water: First of all, we are on the complete other side of the map from you. We are on the far side of our landmass, and it's only a matter of fortune that we made it across to your side when we did. There IS a safe crossing at one point, as we can now see, but it is deep within Latin Lover waters. At present, our navy isn't up to the task either, frankly. On the domestic front, Sunshine is the tech Leader by far. They are playing up the peacefull "sunshine" personality, but we suspect it might in fact be a ruse. MAST is the local runt, being given some pathetic lands and no Iron. Latin Lovers have halted research and we suspect they are preparing a mass upgrade of some kind, most likely to either legions or medeival infantry, and are rather difficult to deal with diplomatically. They have also been aggressively settling along our border recently. So, militarily right now, our focus is on defending against what appears to be an impending attack from Latin Lovers. Should LL be convinced, though, something might be worked out. They have a galley somewhere along the coast as well, so contact with them should be relatively soon. I'll also pass along your message for them. - UnOrthOdOx

	30-03-2004 20:13									#9
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What about the map? Are we gonna get a map trade?

How about techs can we bug them for tech help?