26-03-2004 03:22									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Capitalism isn't about freedom. It's about rules. Men have to follow those rules to survive. They are only free to either follow the rules or end up dead or in prison. Someone needs to get real.

And the other one of us needs to take an economics course.

Mixed Economy: Some government intervention and some free-market aspects. There are Rules.

Capitalism (whenever I say this you can bet you're butt I mean lasseiz faire): There are no regulations. No rules. Please the customers and make the money. There are by defenition no rules to follow or end up opressed by the government because a lasseize faire government doesn't have anything to do with rule making or rule enforcing.

	26-03-2004 03:26									#92
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What if there is a rich guy who hires thugs to do whatever he pleases? Is that laissez fair, as well?

	26-03-2004 06:37									#93
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If you consider him a government I suppose it wouldn't be.

Interesting idea Azazel... interesting.

I suppose you could stage a boycott of his goods for attempting to use such techniques (noone can make you buy it).

Or we could just draw the government into the matter because we're too lazy and apathetic to stand up for what we believe in.

	26-03-2004 06:43									#94
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Libertarians... pphhhhhtttttt!!!!

	26-03-2004 07:09									#95
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD And the other one of us needs to take an economics course. Mixed Economy: Some government intervention and some free-market aspects. There are Rules. Capitalism (whenever I say this you can bet you're butt I mean lasseiz faire): There are no regulations. No rules. Please the customers and make the money. There are by defenition no rules to follow or end up opressed by the government because a lasseize faire government doesn't have anything to do with rule making or rule enforcing.

I got my BA in economics 9 years ago.

	27-03-2004 05:09									#96
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Well then you should confess that you've made a mistake.

EDIT: And also as my witty retort...

As the non-Socialist I would say I was the one best in touch with reality as well.

	28-03-2004 00:00									#97
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD Well then you should confess that you've made a mistake. EDIT: And also as my witty retort... As the non-Socialist I would say I was the one best in touch with reality as well.

You're probably still young. Don't take it the wrong way.

	28-03-2004 02:15									#98
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Actually there's more hope for Skilord than the other conservatives with a more realistic view of capitalism.

	28-03-2004 21:18									#99
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I take from your posts that you percieve me as somewhat of an idealist. I am morally bound to dispell this particular fantasy.

I do not find mankind to be a trustworthy, good or even worthwhile group of individuals. In this sense I want them to have as little to do with me as possible. Government is one of the main venues for their control or influence of my life and therefore I wish to minimize this effect. This works for me... but there are other people out there. These people cannot be trusted to live their lives morally (by not stealing, driving safe, giving to charity) and therefore require government. However they will inheritly be part of any just (popular) government and therefore that government cannot be trusted.

I pick the one that lets me be free from the whims of the narcisstic megalomaniac that is my fellow man. I can only hope to be able to cure him through non-forceful means because as.... 6000 years of government has proved he won't be convinced through forceful means. I have no option but capitalism just because I am cynical of my fellow man, I don't see this as ideal, I see this as having the potential to be better than anything I could have thought of.

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EDIT: In addition I question your use of the word conservative. I am not a conservative, I do not want things to stay the same. I do, however, differ from Liberals in that I want things to change for the better.

	28-03-2004 22:28									#100
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD I take from your posts that you percieve me as somewhat of an idealist. I am morally bound to dispell this particular fantasy. I do not find mankind to be a trustworthy, good or even worthwhile group of individuals. In this sense I want them to have as little to do with me as possible. Government is one of the main venues for their control or influence of my life and therefore I wish to minimize this effect. This works for me... but there are other people out there. These people cannot be trusted to live their lives morally (by not stealing, driving safe, giving to charity) and therefore require government. However they will inheritly be part of any just (popular) government and therefore that government cannot be trusted. I pick the one that lets me be free from the whims of the narcisstic megalomaniac that is my fellow man. I can only hope to be able to cure him through non-forceful means because as.... 6000 years of government has proved he won't be convinced through forceful means. I have no option but capitalism just because I am cynical of my fellow man, I don't see this as ideal, I see this as having the potential to be better than anything I could have thought of. ---- EDIT: In addition I question your use of the word conservative. I am not a conservative, I do not want things to stay the same. I do, however, differ from Liberals in that I want things to change for the better.

Well you shouldn't be judged more harshly than the conservatives who are better bullshitters, but don't expect to find many people to debate with you.

	28-03-2004 22:33									#101
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Bah, I'd rather be right than be debated.

I'll just take the refusals to debate me as pre-emptive declarations of surrender. (They may or may not be such, probly aren't).

And I'm quite proud to be a poor liar, there's not much need for that when you're right.

	28-03-2004 22:37									#102
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD Bah, I'd rather be right than be debated.

Good, then you won't take it the wrong way.

	28-03-2004 22:49									#103
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When all else fails resort to megalomania.

I'll always pick the option that panders more to my ego.