25-03-2004 07:20									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I am a moral relativist. I don't believe in copyright laws. That's nice, but your government does.

the government can suck my balls

	25-03-2004 07:23									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: This looks to be promising, because it's cheaper and less restrictive than the other services I have seen so far. Indeed... WMA is used my most MP3 players, unless Apple's system.

The iTMS has one function - sell ipods - that's why it's ipods only. I don't think there is really any money in downloads for their own sake. But I could be wrong.

	25-03-2004 07:44									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon The iTMS has one function - sell ipods - that's why it's ipods only. I don't think there is really any money in downloads for their own sake. But I could be wrong.

Part of the reason the iTMS doesn't make much money is AAC is very expensive to license.

WMA is much cheaper.

Plus, given Walmart's existing deals with record labels, I'm sure they get access to the songs for less as well.

	25-03-2004 07:46									#34
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The growing consensus is Apple is screwing itself from a potentially lucrative monopoly by locking the iPod and iTunes together.

On a related note: http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-517...ml?tag=nefd_pop

quote: Real's Glaser exhorts Apple to open iPod Last modified: March 23, 2004, 10:47 AM PST By Michael Kanellos Staff Writer, CNET News.com SCOTTSDALE, Ariz.--RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser has a message for Apple Computer chief Steve Jobs: Open iPod or shrivel. Glaser, the feisty founder of the Internet entertainment network, said during a panel discussion Tuesday at PC Forum here that Apple is creating problems for itself by using a file format that forces consumers to buy music from Apple's own iTunes site. (CNET Networks, publisher of News.com, last week acquired EDventures, which sponsors PC Forum.) Because Apple's iPod music player does not support other proprietary music formats and does not license its own format to rivals, Real's Rhapsody and other song sites are blocked from easily reaching iPod users. "Apple's (market) share will go down if they continue to do this. The only way to presently put songs on an iPod is to (buy) them from iTunes," Glaser said, referring to downloads purchased from online music stores. In addition to iTunes songs, the iPod can play files encoded in the MP3 format, including tracks ripped from CDs. Hewlett-Packard, which has partnered with Apple on digital music, is in a position to persuade the company to change its practice, he said. "There is a good opportunity to say to Steve, 'You've done a good job of promoting this thing, but now one of two bad things will happen,'" Glaser said. "One, Apple's market share will go down to its historical single-digit levels, or two, it will slow down the development of this market." Glaser predicted that customers will say, "I bought an iPod and can only shop at one store. What is this? The Soviet Union?" Shane Robison, chief technology officer of HP, shared the panel with Glaser and said diplomatically that discussions on many issues are always ongoing. Apple could not be reached for comment. Glaser also applauded actions taken by European regulators to limit Microsoft's ability to bundle technology into Windows. Real has been directly affected by the practice, because it makes a competing media player. "I think it is a step in the right direction. It is not transcendent," he said. "The specific solutions have not been announced yet, but the outcome suggests that the European regulators did the right thing for the right reasons." Glaser further said that the European Commission's ruling is not likely to exert massive political pressures because most of the companies directly affected by the decision--Sun Microsystems, RealNetworks and Apple, among others--are based in the United States. The commission, however, has said it entered the investigation on behalf of European citizens. Microsoft, meanwhile, struck a deal with Major League Baseball to offer live audio and video on its networks. MLB used to have a partnership with RealNetworks.

	25-03-2004 07:47									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sava YES! Buy from Wal-Mart... support torture and child labor in CHINA!

I think you've finally found a way to trap UR... on one hand, he could speak against Walmart, that avowedly capitalist corporation, but on the other hand, he'd be saying something negative about China.

	25-03-2004 07:48									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sava the government can suck my balls

Not with the anti-sodomy legislation the Bush admin is preparing

	25-03-2004 07:50									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The growing consensus is Apple is screwing itself from a potentially lucrative monopoly by locking the iPod and iTunes together.

The growing consensus of people going out of business.

	25-03-2004 07:52									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon The growing consensus of people going out of business.

I meant from analysts. Of course Real is going out of business.

Interestingly, their business model of recent years is very similar to Apple's today with the iPod and iTunes.

Real's been offering "premium" content online for years, locking it only to their player. They used to have a monopoly on such things, like MLB live broadcasts.

Going out of business indeed. Maybe Apple should heed his warnings.

	25-03-2004 09:02									#39
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Apple will stay as they are as long as it pays. At the moment it is paying off handsomely.

If it doesn't work...

....itunes has a WMA file icon in its resources.

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This has been downloaded 103 time(s).

	25-03-2004 09:12									#40
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Doesn't it frustrate you as an end-user when the company who makes the products you use artificially and intentionally restricts you from shopping at other online stores?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised this doesn't upset most of you.

	25-03-2004 09:25									#41
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel wait, doesn't buying it as a download cut out the poor chinese slaves that are making the cds you no longer need to purchase?

Slaves making CD's? Are you a denizen of Nedaverse?

	25-03-2004 09:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Doesn't it frustrate you as an end-user when the company who makes the products you use artificially and intentionally restricts you from shopping at other online stores? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised this doesn't upset most of you.

Supporter of a monopoly speaks about other companies locking customers in.

The irony

	25-03-2004 09:28									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Supporter of a monopoly speaks about other companies locking customers in. The irony

How is Microsoft locking customers in?

I realize Microsoft is a "monopoly", but they still offer consumers choice, unlike Apple.

Microsoft doesn't control the hardware you buy, nor do they have any qualms with licensing WMA to anyone who asks, including Apple.

	25-03-2004 12:38									#44
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Walmart still censors music

pretty much all the music I listen to is offensive. I wouldn't be able to buy anything.

	25-03-2004 12:46									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Walmart still censors music pretty much all the music I listen to is offensive. I wouldn't be able to buy anything.

The songs I've listened to haven't been censored.

Few examples:
http://musicclips.liquiddigitalmedi.../0000651461.asf
http://musicclips.liquiddigitalmedi.../0000517109.asf (the censored version is "Waif Me" instead of "Rape Me")
http://musicclips.liquiddigitalmedi.../0000814554.asf

They do offer the censored versions as well.

	25-03-2004 12:49									#46
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waif me?

	25-03-2004 12:53									#47
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It was Cobain's personal choice, don't ask me.

	25-03-2004 13:11									#48
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I hate to break this to you, but Cobain is dead.

	25-03-2004 13:14									#49
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No ****.

He made the album, and agreed to a censored version, before he was dead.

	25-03-2004 17:48									#50
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quote: 64 Kbps to 80 Kbps WMA reportedly sounds identical to CD quality to most users in double-blind tests.

Most users reportedly can't tell the difference between a 64kbps WMA and a large hole drilled into their head.

	25-03-2004 19:36									#51
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do wal-mart have pretty much everything or would you have problems finding more obscure stuff?

	25-03-2004 20:00									#52
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Well, they are in this to make as much money as possible...so whadda ya think

	25-03-2004 20:23									#53
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Thanks to Asher's ad campaign in his posts, the worldwide ipod mini release has been delayed to July as US demand is so strong that Apple is having trouble keeping up with demand.

	25-03-2004 21:33									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No ****. He made the album, and agreed to a censored version, before he was dead.

what a sell out.

	25-03-2004 21:48									#55
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Most users reportedly can't tell the difference between a 64kbps WMA and a large hole drilled into their head.

	25-03-2004 23:21									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Kazaa downloads are legal, but uploads are not.

I think it's presumptuous to say that downloads are legal in Canada; the copyright board only said that they believed downloads were legal, but no court has ever issued a ruling on this. The board's opinion does not a legal precedent make. It might carry some weight in a test case, though.

And you're right to point out that the upload's illegal anyway.

	25-03-2004 23:42									#57
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88 cents? Aren't itunes 99 cents?

Thats a steal, I love Walmart.

	25-03-2004 23:46									#58
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quote: the government can suck my balls

seriously, is this what you want? i mean, you can see the bang-up job they do with medicare and spending, are you sure you want this administration to fellate you as well?

some of us have standards, you know.

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quote: The growing consensus is Apple is screwing itself from a potentially lucrative monopoly by locking the iPod and iTunes together.

obviously, rob glazer of realnetworks is merely a microsoft stooge.

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but seriously: i don't really care much for these online music stores.

	26-03-2004 00:00									#59
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they don't have the stuff i want (then again neither does winmx or soulseek), load of rubbish :/

	26-03-2004 01:24									#60
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quote: Music Downloads are not available outside the United States You must download music from a location within the 50 states of the United States. Sorry, but Music Downloads are not available to people residing at military addresses, commonwealths, territories, protectorates, or possessions of the United States that are outside of the 50 states.

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