26-03-2004 07:42									#1
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I'll be logging off shortly, but I was able to see the latest turn before I did.

Initial observations:

We lost Kelvin Point.
I'm not sure how but I guess it was a combination of Uni/CyCon air and the Uni Ogre in Gardens Point. It looks like Uni self-destroyed it.

We lost the (1)-3-6 cruiser near Peace Pod Island. It was protected shielded from the CyCon 4-1-6 cruiser by our needlejet, but a DA 4-1-6 cruiser killed it instead.

There are a lot of Formers that have been teraforming accumalating from last turn; just about all of the formers that appear to working on making echelon mirrors are terastoring and should have two turns of teraforming ready to be unleashed.

The Drones have a phenomenal concentration of forces in Gardens point it looks like they will just roll through CyCon shortly.

We are able to take Cairnes this turn. Can we hold it.

Uni has a <6>1-1 drop infantry in Carbooltol, plus they are making a chopper ready in 1 turn (next turn). The drop SAM infantry should be destroyed. Cairnes garrison should be emptied as well.

The Drones lab production is 300 per turn, ours is a little over 200. It looks like the gap will increase.

Thoughts for future:
We can piggy back on the Drones advance through Cycon. They will take the Lions share of the bases, but we should be able to pick up a few.

We should take the DA empire as soon as we can. Right now they do not have DAP and the Drones have not begun to encroach.

Once we take it the we can work on taking the rest of CyCon from the West.


I'll take one more look around the forums and then sign off. It's been fun playing with the Hive.

Many Thanks to All of You.



Mead

	26-03-2004 09:34									#2
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Dear Comrades,

This is bad timing, indeed. As Chairman of the Central Military Committee I am afraid I have sparse available time for considering our military strategy this year. I hope to be able to put together a brief report--but I fear it wil not be ready before orders are to be dispatched.

Comrade Mead's suggestions seem sound, although I would hesitate to advance further towards CyCon homeland via former University territory.

Many apologies,
Comrade Rubin, Chairman of the Central Military Committee

	26-03-2004 11:16									#3
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But if we can deny them the PEG which is situated in one of their bases, that would be a huge blow to their economy. We need to find out where is that base.

	26-03-2004 21:22									#4
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Alright, thank you Comrade Mead, this will be very helpful. I’d like to set up a turnchat tomorrow so that we may decide on a turnplayer as well as just play the turn. When is everyone available to do it?

	27-03-2004 01:36									#5
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Tomorrow? I'll probably be around in the later evening, around 9PM to 3AM U.S. Central Standard Time (15-21 GMT, iirc).

	27-03-2004 22:49									#6
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Hmm, it really does look as though most of us are busy, this did come at a bad time. I unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances will not be home tonight, let us try to put this off until tomorrow. I'll inform Tassadar that we may be late with the turn, but I'd rather do this with several people around just to ensure that we do not screw up.

	28-03-2004 10:04									#7
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Ok I'm back comrades!!! Applied to rejoin some time ago but Ming was busy.

Give me some time to get familiar with things then I'll be ready for whatever task that needs to be done.

	28-03-2004 11:03									#8
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Ok. I don't see much formal orders. I'm going to go ahead and play the turn, and stop if I have a question. Otherwise I will post the save before end turn.

	28-03-2004 13:37									#9
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Here's the unfinished turn. I finished the teraforming part and did the uni front. I didn't move some of the military units yet since I'm not sure if they should be moved to the Roze front or should they be sent to participate war with CCs. Rubin, can you move them or give me orders to move them? For base productions Vander is producing a probe for Seat of unity, and roko is producing a crawler for its food supply. Others are also producing crawler but can be changed to military units if needed. I would like to produce a drop colony pod to occupy the bones island. It looks like a pretty rich territory.

	28-03-2004 13:38									#10
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Edit: Changed the image to shortcut per Rubin's request.

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	28-03-2004 23:29									#11
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Comrades, the Central Military Committee has implemented the new hivean troop naming convention and changed production at Googliegrad to a Crimson Guard (0-1-1 probe team) in order to improve homeland probe defenses.

File access (unfinished): File removed

The Central Military Committee can dispatch all remaining troop orders; however, no clear strategy has been agreed upon. I personally suggest:

Forward any invasion troops in former University territory toward CyCon territory to improve defensive capabilities at our newly captured bases. Defenders are to be distributed between these new bases.

Allocate reconnaissance aircraft--Yangbombers--to our southern homeland border. Order additional Yangbombers on reconnaissance missions near our eastern/southeastern border. Order one or two aircraft to patrol our northern border.

Bones Island is a viable target. However, we should utilize the settlements already prepared by Datajack Roze and invade these first. Roze's territory is very fertile! Hence, direct all newly built--idle--troops toward Data Angel territory (near Heart Break Hill) for a planned invasion. Aircraft low on fuel should return home for refueling.

I suggest the ACDG-Hive2161b file to be used. In case of desperation, the Central Military Committee can complete the final orders.

Comrade Rubin
Chairman of the Central Military Committee

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	29-03-2004 01:29									#12
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The CMC strategy sounds good to me. I would like to request that the CMC complete the final orders for the unmoved units.

Re: bones island. One thing that attracted me is those pods. Sometimes I feel that pods in late game may be quite useful sometimes. Would it pay off if we simply drop a tranced scout there?

	29-03-2004 01:33									#13
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Two more points that needs to be addressed:

First, I've send MMI preaccepted to PEACE. Buster's sending some ecs to them. So they will be able to build drop colony pods.

Second. This is a major question. Cabool is the last base of Uni. I guess that means we can't really occupy it because of the PBEM bug? What exactly will happen then?

	29-03-2004 09:27									#14
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu Second. This is a major question. Cabool is the last base of Uni. I guess that means we can't really occupy it because of the PBEM bug? What exactly will happen then?

Tass or I need to confirm that you can indeed occupy it - if so, then we will instruct whoever plays the PUT turns (Maniac?) to build a scout and self destruct thereby disbanding the base

G.

	29-03-2004 10:19									#15
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And we won't have that base then?

	29-03-2004 10:39									#16
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We in this case face the question of do we want to occupy the base. I would recommend first offering the University the chance to surrender. If they do so we can let them live as our vassals, if not then by all means destroy the base.

	29-03-2004 12:00									#17
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ACDG-Hive2161 [Final Draft]

	29-03-2004 12:41									#18
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How's this sound as a message?

quote: Free people of the Planet University of Technology: Your time has come. It is only a matter of time before the combined might of the forces of the glourious Free Drones and Human Hive finally crush the imposter CPU government that has taken over your nation. We present you with a choice. The Hive and our allies, the Drones, will spare your freedom and last base, if and only you rid yourselves of the evil capitialistic CPU government and swear and oath of eternal fealty and service to the allied powers of the Drones and Hive. Should we refuse, we will have no choice but to destroy you. This is a one time offer that is non-negotiable. If you do not respond, we will assume you have rejected our gracious offer. ~Octavian X Special Representative of the Central Foreign Affairs Committee of the Human Hive

	29-03-2004 21:07									#19
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quote: Should we refuse

Should that be "should you refuse"?

A technical question. Are we expecting PUT to surrender as separated from the CCs? This sounds to me highly unlikely. Do we want to offer something like if PUT surrender then we would sign a treaty with CCs and promise we won't attack in 10 years or something like that? Then CCs might actually consider it since they know they will only need to deal with the Drones. But that means we cannot include Drones in our offer. While for us it is likely we would be concentrated to conque Roze in this ten years? And we can even offer another option, that is if the entire CPU were to surrender to us then we can pact with them again and gang on Roze and Miriam. I am not sure what this option really means though. Should they surrender to both Drones and us? Or us only?

Also, we need the eloquent Arnelos for this tough task. It seems unlikely to me, but worth a try in my opinion. However we decide, we need to decide quick. The options need to be offered in this turn, not the next turn.

	29-03-2004 21:59									#20
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Hmm, all excellent questions, I wish I had the answers. The surrender offer in my mind would never be accepted, the reason I suggested we offer it was because if we do so we look better than if we do not.

We need to ask ourselves what do we gain from their surrender, what they would be willing to offer, and what we want.

Why don’t we leave the ball in their court? Tell them we are willing to negotiate and ask them to put an offer on the table, this makes us look good and we can also see what sort of deal we can get out of them. Of course this will need to be composed eloquently, but that is a matter of rhetoric, what is at issue now is the content. I think this last approach makes it appear as though we will seriously negotiate [which we will] and it looks less arrogant [versus us demanding in not so many words their unconditional surrender].

	29-03-2004 22:03									#21
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I agree with you Chairman. To ask them to put an offer is a good idea.

	30-03-2004 10:56									#22
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Truth be told, I'd rather just get rid of them. At this point, the world is divided enough that foreign affairs with Uni and CyCon don't matter. Just crush them and move on.

	30-03-2004 11:31									#23
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Agreed with Comrade Octavian X.

Wipe the pathetic University off the face of Chiron.

We are the Hive....ruthlessness is the best course of action in a case like this. Squash them like bugs then wipe our boots clean and don't have a second thought about them.

	30-03-2004 11:43									#24
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A more "Hive appropriate" message to the University:

quote: *blasted from Hive loudspeakers* Citizens of the Planet University of Technology. Your defences have fallen. Your government is in chaos. Your allies have deserted you. There is no hope in survival. Your very existence hangs on a mere thread. The armed forces of the glorious Human Hive, along with her Free Drone allies, are poised on your very doorstep. Our armies fill the skies and march upon the landscape as far as the eye can see. The hammer has fallen and you are offered one last chance at survival. To prevent your destruction, the Hive offers you a new vision of Chiron without the trappings of capitalism and greed. The Hive and the Drones offer you this chance to join our "workers paradise" and "collective thinking" or you will be eliminated. Failure to capitulate will result in your last base reduced to rubble and it's ashes flung to the far corners of Planet. Surrender or be destroyed.

	30-03-2004 11:50									#26
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Sorry, but when it comes to military campaigns in SMAC, I tend to favor ruthlessness instead of diplomacy and "niceness".

This vendetta has gotten me into a bloodlust frenzy.

	31-03-2004 08:55									#27
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Where is Arnelos? We need to send it out don't we?