27-03-2004 20:29									#1
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I woke up early (been sick) and was wondering if anyone understood the settings for No Barbs, Sedentary and how they compare to Roaming?

The way I thought it was is that Sedentary meant no barbs wanderer around, you do get huts.

No barbs means just that, no huts, no barbs.

It seems that all three are the same, except no barbs mean no huts. You still get camps and barbs showing up in less than 10 turns. At least that is what I have seen on Sid.

IOW except for the huts, you may as well use roaming.
I could understand, if when two civs hit the next age, you got uprisings, well not if No Barbs was selected.

	27-03-2004 20:47									#2
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I've never seen a Barb when "no Barbs" was selected... so your sighting them with that selected is interesting. You might want to view the game in debug mode to see where they came from.

Hope you're feeling better now.

	27-03-2004 23:30									#3
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I think you do get barb camps on Sedentary, they just don't ever come after you. Or do they? Or maybe Sid overrides that to make your life harder.

	28-03-2004 02:55									#4
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Here is a shot after just a few turns in debug:

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	28-03-2004 03:00									#5
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quote: Originally posted by anarchie I think you do get barb camps on Sedentary, they just don't ever come after you. Or do they? Or maybe Sid overrides that to make your life harder.

That is what I thought, you get camps, but they stay put.
I play roaming all the time, but was messing around with it during some sid games and saw them after about 7 turns.

BTW I decided you are better of with it this way, Set to no barbs for Sid and have them spawn anyway. This slows down research as no huts and still keeps the AI busy running down barbs.

Just don;t use debug as it is painful to sit through and very depressing to see them drop their 3rd city before you road your first tile. Then see 5 cities all making settlers, oh so sad.

	28-03-2004 03:08									#6
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Where's your Snoopy Graphics?

And gosh darn, don't you think you need a little 'purple' to spruce things up a bit?

P.S. Start with six settlers each, that will 'even' things out a bit.

	28-03-2004 03:21									#7
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Yellow maybe, but not purple.

	28-03-2004 03:22									#8
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Anyway as soon as I posted the debug shot, I loaded back my normal game and got this:

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	28-03-2004 03:35									#9
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What the heck is the DEBUG doing on this game? I played another turn to see if it would go back to normal, but it shows my civs as DEBUG? It is not in debug mode as I do not see any moves by Inca's or America. I can't see what is on their land either.

	28-03-2004 03:38									#10
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Ok, I exited the game completely and start it up fresh and loaded the save and it is normal now. I guess I will know not to try to start a test run up with a game in progress.

	31-03-2004 11:53									#11
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Vmxa:

The difference between sedentary and roaming is that sedentary does not have any barbarian camps unless playing on a map in which the designer adds camps to the map if playing on a computer generated map there will only be huts (but barbs can be popped from them and start to wander around) With no barbs there are no barbs or huts.

	31-03-2004 12:31									#12
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That is what I thought, but it does not seem to work that way now. I just ran that test with Debug and no barbs, but you can see them plain as day at around turn 7?

No huts exist at all. I looked all over.

	31-03-2004 12:35									#13
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all very mysterious

	31-03-2004 12:45									#14
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Forgive the dumb question, but I've always seen people talk about debug but I've never know what it is. so could someone please tell me what it is for and how you do it?

Cheers!

	31-03-2004 12:54									#15
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In the game editor, load a scenario, go to the Scenario Properties. Find one-third down on left, debug next to some barbarian settings. Tick next to debug. Save. Load same from CIV content and play. What will happen?

You will see everything and going from CIV to CIV. Crack open a beer, listen to music this is going to take some time.

	31-03-2004 23:11									#16
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Very boring, especially with high levels where the AI gets a bunch of starting units. Try watching lots of warriors fighting barbs, no fun.

	02-04-2004 21:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Antrine ....You will see everything and going from CIV to CIV. Crack open a beer, listen to music this is going to take some time.