28-03-2004 07:06									#1
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HOTW4 is not on today cos of Berz comp probs, so I'm up for a 2x1x OCC anytime in the next few hours....

Possibles, but not made contact with all...
Rah, DD, Makeo, Ljube, Dylan, not sure about Raz (he only does diplo I think), maybe ozzy if he's up to it

	28-03-2004 09:35									#2
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I'm down for whatever.

	28-03-2004 15:52									#3
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Well we got a goodie going with DD, Dylan, deity and Jon. Dylan in the lead I think... To be continued on USA Sat nights...

	07-04-2004 01:02									#4
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Team game?

	07-04-2004 01:49									#5
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Describe everyone's city location in terms of terrain and specials.

	07-04-2004 04:19									#6
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ZYLKAVILLE:

5 square fog terrain on vespeen gas 3vs3 no zerg rush good manner kk ^_^ ;;

	07-04-2004 16:38									#7
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I got a fish and forested river. That's it.

	07-04-2004 16:41									#8
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This one not a team game.

The team game with ljube/deity v.s Makeo/Dylan is a beauty. I got 4 specials and 4 forested rivers in that one

	07-04-2004 19:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by deity I got a fish and forested river. That's it.

That seems kind of thin for an OCC game. Any hidden specials for later use? And how long did you search to find that one? Me thinks you should have searched more.

	08-04-2004 04:59									#10
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I had a terrific location....later found gems 3 squares away but my city location with a bottleneck was worth not settling there. It appears the map is getting explored very quickly.

	08-04-2004 06:37									#11
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quote: Originally posted by rah That seems kind of thin for an OCC game. Any hidden specials for later use? And how long did you search to find that one? Me thinks you should have searched more.

I found a 4 special site the turn after I settled my city

I just ran out of patience so I guess you are right!

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In the other team game I got Coal/Silk/Wine/Buffalo AND forrested rivers. Built HG for the first time ever (I'm renowned for not building Wonders!); and I know my next Wonder I think I've worked out a great strat but being my first OCC any tips appreciated!

	08-04-2004 11:44									#12
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And being my ally, I'm sure to give you those tips you need

	08-04-2004 17:35									#13
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Unfortunately most of the OCC strategy guides assume that you're playing with AI. A slightly different game.
But there are some things that are still useful.

	09-04-2004 10:15									#14
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Well what I've worked out so far is that Democ (nor Rep) is not urgent and celebrating in Monarchy rocks...

	09-04-2004 17:11									#15
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It all depends how much food you have. If you have land based trade specials you need to work, getting your pop up to 8 or 12 earlier is still beneficial.

	10-04-2004 07:05									#16
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Well, a bit of irrigation and a Granary does the trick.

I expect to get to Size 12 before worrying about Rep.

	10-04-2004 07:16									#17
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I'm Size 9 in 600BC. Science always maxed at 70% and celebrating in Monarchy with as many Scientists as possible without losing the celebration. Techs at 8 turns.

The good thing about Monarchy over Rep is troops away from home of course.

From the map I have my ally Ljube has two whales and Iron; and Makeo has two fish and Silk but can't see all the squares yet... not seen Dylan's spot.

Remind me about hidden specials Rah. How do you know they are there?

	10-04-2004 07:41									#18
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Though I am not Rah, I think I can answer this ....Specials are every 8 squares horizontaly. Therefore if there is a special square, 8 squares away (to the right or left) should be another special. The two exceptions are when the square is in the ocean not accessible by land, and when the square is Grassland and therefore a hidden special which can be converted to a special (by Mining for instance).

p.s. I think I overanswered your question deity, but the answer you were looking for is in there....honest

Edit: Or for a graphic description (taken from the Great Library) go to this link Info on Specials from CFC.

Last edited by Sparrowhawk on 10-04-2004 at 07:51

	10-04-2004 12:22									#19
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Or if you want a specialised programme that is going to do the calculations for you, I can send you Scuse Gitt's hut finder. This software shows the locations of all huts and all specials including hidden ones.

	11-04-2004 03:01									#20
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Well, SparrowHawk provided the best answer and ljcvetko provided the easiest answer. Before hutfinder, Ming and I used grid paper and charted the pattern from the map editor. Once you identified two (hut four patterns) you could predict all hut and special locations. If you study a world using the map editor, you can quickly memorize about 80 % of the pattern.

	11-04-2004 04:27									#21
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Thanks guys. I knew all that at one stage!

Tried Hutfinder once and found it real stressfull!

I think memorising is best as it spoils the game (and surprise) the least.

	12-04-2004 19:19									#22
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The memorising is not that hard, but you will find you will make the most mistakes thinking you have a four pattern when it's really just a three pattern. You'll mine what you think is a hidden special but just end up with a plain forrest. If you limit yourself to doing it on non-shielded river squares, even if you guess wrong, you'll benefit.

	14-04-2004 08:55									#23
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how long until hotw 4 is done entirely?

	14-04-2004 12:08									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka how long until hotw 4 is done entirely?

In one session provided we get the full crew to gang rape deity

	15-04-2004 02:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by ljcvetko In one session provided we get the full crew to gang rape deity

Is it rape if he asks for it?

	16-04-2004 10:54									#26
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Ha ha!

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

	19-04-2004 03:02									#27
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We started another one. Four players OCC, two teams. Zylka and deity against Makeo and me.

Zylka surprised us all with an early colossus, but my very strong position (four specials and a river) made a difference very soon as I constructed Copernicus and Newton and also Shakespeare. Makeo built the Great Library and sent a dozen of caravans my way, so we're pretty much in control. Most of the techs I discover are white.

Here's the save.

Attachment: makeozylkadeity.sav
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	19-04-2004 10:47									#28
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that game was BS after I took my sleeping pills
let's do another team OCC soon

	22-04-2004 10:34									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka that game was BS after I took my sleeping pills let's do another team OCC soon

Yeah, I don't think w are such a great team Z

You kept researching techs I already had!

	01-05-2004 06:48									#30
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Z says todays cancelled so I'm going out.

I'll be here USA Sat night around this time for an OCC or whatever (HOTW4 still not happening)