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conmcb25 is offline conmcb25

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Recruiting for INTELL Ministry Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

We REALLY need a few dedicated individuals to work intell.

BFM said he would help, and I have seen donegal and orzmud contributing in that area.

Three guys working it would be great and more would be better. Please step up and help out the team.

Post here if you want to run the Ministry or help as an assistant.

Thanks!!!!!

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What exactly does the job intel?

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I can be rather assistant. Even not only for intelligence. But I can't dedicate much attention for longer periods.

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Unortho - analyze the information we can gather. This includes, for example, the Demographics screen and bits of info we may gather in chat.

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I can't see a general Intel Thread that is up yet, if there is, then someone please move this to there

There have been rumors of Trip, who has joined CGN, using the spreadsheets that I have put together for the PTWISDG (and other games) for the benifit of CGN. Because he is a Poly Consul in that game, I have been keeping him updated with the latest copies, mainly with new infomation for that game, but also new things that I have add to the sheets. So, if CGN (and us) get to the next round in this game, we will likely have to deal with this.

Some further Intel along this manner:
quote:

[Trip> E_T, you there?
[E_T_busy> Yes, but brb
[Trip> okay
[Trip> I'm trying to figure out how to unhide frames in Excel
[Trip> I've lost rows 10 and 11 and can't get them back :\
[Trip> also, what do you do when you've filled up a spreadsheet and need more lines for cities in future dates?
[E_T_busy> look in the tutorial, that part is there
[E_T_busy> what city are you working on??
[Trip> tutorial? :P
[Trip> one of my own cities
[E_T_busy> the txt file that I sent you a while back, with the sheets
[E_T_busy> one of yours or one of CGN's??
[Trip> I probably deleted that a long time ago :P
[Trip> I wasn't all to interested in the workings of the spreadsheets back then
[Trip> one of Catagonia's
[E_T_busy> which is CGN, IIRC
[E_T_busy> I hope that you erased everything from the sheet before you let one of their people (in c3cdg) see it
[Trip> I made my own
[E_T_busy> ah
[Trip> on your design
[E_T_busy> I'll see if I can send it to you, have to go
[Trip> I built them pretty much from scratch
[Trip> okay
* E_T_busy is now known as E_T_not_home
[Trip> how do I add new lines though? :P


I have sent him the "tutorial", along with this text

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Trip, here is the "Tutorial" on my spreadsheets that you had asked for.

I would like to say, that I am disappointed in you. Using my spreadsheets for the benefit of another team/site, was not the reason that I had originally sent them to you. As a Consul of the Apolyton PTW ISDG, I felt that you needed to see some of the raw data I was working on and some of the things that we have currently planned. I don't mind that you use this tool as an aid in your own personal games, but to transport it for use on another site/team was not part of the reason that I had given it to you.

I know that I have the sheets posted in our Private forum and that I have sent it to other of our team members, who are opponents in splinter DG games (MZO DG, PTWDG1 & II), and do realize that they might benefit from the use of it. My problem, is that you have also gotten further Implementation Information from me, in chat, but apparently for the use in that game and not our own. And at those times, I was under the impression that you needed the information for our team.

I have worked on that tool for quite some time. Parts of it were started during the SPDG-I and the Idea for what I had wanted this sheet to be able to do was also born at that time. I have put a lot of effort and especially time, into this project and all for the efforts of Apolytonia. This is almost an Intellectual Property and copyright type issue, to me. If I had wanted the general public to have these sheets, I would have posted them a long time ago in the files section, like some of the other game Utilities that are there (C3MT being the most prevalent). But I didn't, nor do I wish to in the future.

I ask that you cease using my spreadsheets for other teams that are in opposition to Apolyton. But then, I can't really force you to do as such. And because you are (at this point in time) still a Consul of the PTWISDG, I can't not send you futher updates, because, that is part of my job for our team. But I do ask you, in all good consience (and because I did ask), that you quit using it for other teams.

E_T


If the time comes and I'm available (very possible), then he's going to have to deal with ME...

E_T

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Well unfortunately this did not pan out.

We are STILL looking for someone to head up this Ministry.

BigFurryMonster and orzmud have both said they wil assist.

But we still need a full time coordinator to orchestarte everything we should be doing here, one of the main thing being looking at the various info screens every turn and analyzing, as well as any Humna Intelligence (HUMINT) we get from chats and corrospondence, and then giving us there best guess what other teams are doing.

Im detopping this thread and topping the Intell thread.

Over the next few days Ill start posting some links in that thread.

BUT please if you are interested in doing analysis please volunteer to lead or help out in this area.

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I'll work human intelligence. I probably don't have enough time right now for the spreadsheets for this game, but I'd be willing to do that if my responsibilities in other games go down at a later date.

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Arnie, if you can send me your sheet, I'll see if I can "sanitize it", post it and maybe even make a small tutorial for it, too.

E_T

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Oh, that spreadsheet? That's EASY. I can do that for this game without problem. Since I already get saves I'll do that. Almost zero time commitment.

It's just that I don't have a spreadsheet for analyzing F11 information or powergraph information over time. That's more time-intensive (both for building the spreadsheet and for inputing data each turn). If someone already has such a spreadsheet (other than Trip, who almost certainly won't share it), that would make that job far easier.

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Hmm... what form would this F11 analysis take? Would just using some of the equations for the Demographic quantities and adjusting our trade/mfg etc to see where the other teams were at be enough there? I have the raw info on what F11 things mean somewhere....

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Does BFM have speadsheets that do this?

Or is he a military advisor screen guy only?

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Hmm... what form would this F11 analysis take? Would just using some of the equations for the Demographic quantities and adjusting our trade/mfg etc to see where the other teams were at be enough there? I have the raw info on what F11 things mean somewhere....


Correct. For both the F11 screen and the powergraph (in particular), we need ways of tracking important changes and trends. I've been doing this manually for another DG and have found that it's easiest to spot things if you're watching more than one thing at a time (a change in city rank and pop coinciding with a change in score or coinciding with a change in rankings has a lot more meaning than when each of these are analyzed in isolation).

What I don't have is most of those equations. For another DG, I've been doing this analysis by hand without knowing how some of those things are actually figured (though some of them I know because they're obvious).

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Does BFM have speadsheets that do this?

Or is he a military advisor screen guy only?


The military advisor screen information would help as well. To my knowledge, BFM has all of that information compiled very well.

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Ok, as stated in chat, I've been mulling over the possibility of signing up for this position on condition that I can set up a team akin to the FAM Team in the PTW ISDG or the SPDG including several members, each working on an aspect of the ministry. The nature of the ministry's work would probably be quite similar to that of the FAM in the SPDG... primarily studying game information to assess and analyze the capabilities, actions, and intentions of our opponents.

So if I do this, I want a team of people who are doing it together. I'm not going to do this job alone... I simply don't have the time to do it all and I guess none of us do or someone would have already volunteered.

BFM and ormuzd have both already stated that they would assist, which would be essential. donegeal has apparently already been helping in some ways, which would be very helpful as well. Perhaps we could, as a team, dileate out responsibilities to each of us, but maintain that we should (along with the rest of the team) present and discuss intelligence information in a thread or threads created for the purpose.

Thoughts?

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This sounds like a geat idea to me.

I would be willing to help out after I step down from the consulship.

But Im only going to do one aspect, I dont not have the time to run all the spreadsheets.

And someone is going to have to give me what they have, Im not going to build one from scratch.

And as always you will get HUMINT from me.

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yes, I want to try to help with whatever I can. But I'll need more instructions because I'm not so deep into game. I'm still learning to play against humans.

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Perhaps Rush is willing too.

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