28-03-2004 22:26									#1
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So - I'm sure this has been explained, charted, and analyzed to death somewhere - but what are the odds of catapults hitting various units, and eliminating city improvements?

And as an extension - the odds for the other bombard units?

Can someone direct me to the appropriate thread, or provide an explanation, please.

Many thanks!

	29-03-2004 05:35									#2
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This thread helps. Any others out there?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...apult+catapults

	29-03-2004 08:15									#3
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I don't know that I've ever seen any articles about that, aside from the one you linked.
I do know that - at least in C3C - I really like bombard units, even if most of my military is mounted. I'll specifically build a few slowmovers to escort my bombard stack.
So, not having any numbers, all I can say is that I find cats, trebs, and cannons to be both effective and cost-efficient.

Sorry I don't have any info more technical than that.

	29-03-2004 17:14									#4
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IIRC, buildings, population and tile improvements had a base defence of 16 in civ3+ptw. I don't know if that has been changed in c3c but units in cities are now targeted before buildings/population(and city walls before units).

What I want to know is how the counterattack works. When you attack a stack with bombard-units, there is a change you lose hitpoints from the counterbombard. How does this work? Is it bombard strength vs defence+modifiers? If that is the case, it would pay off to attack with med.infs before you attack with longbowmen, as your medinfs have lower change of getting hit by the counterbombard.

	29-03-2004 23:45									#5
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quote: Originally posted by bongo When you attack a stack with bombard-units, there is a change you lose hitpoints from the counterbombard. How does this work? Is it bombard strength vs defence+modifiers?

It's just bombard strengh vs defence. There are no modifiers for terrain. Yes, a med. inf is more likely to survive or do more damage than a longbowman. Personally, I often value med. infs over longbowmen so much that I'd attack the other way round anyway.

	30-03-2004 02:29									#6
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So you won't benefit by attacking from high ground then, good to know

	30-03-2004 19:04									#7
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Thanks for your comments and input.

Sounds to me like this could use a more comprehensive written piece. I find it interesting that certain elements of this game have been disected and analyzed to a very detailed level, but not something as seemingly key as the bombard units.