30-03-2004 03:01									#1
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While our Berserker took Jaen we entered our Golden Age in 1020AD. This means that we in the next 20 turns will have increased production and income. What is the best way to use this?

	30-03-2004 03:59									#2
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Normally I'd say spend it building up infrustructure, but in this case with our position I'd say expand in any way possible with it!

	30-03-2004 04:02									#3
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Well, don't build Settlers to expand.
Use Berserkers instead.

Also, any city that's too productive for producing military units should probably be building inferstructure.

	30-03-2004 04:32									#4
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Berzerkers all the way.

They are our salvation in the dire situation we are experiencing: they are highly mobile (4 moves per turn, if they're on a boat) and have very serious punch. It is not uncommon to see them beat riflemen.

With enough berzies, we could give the Spanish a serious lesson, thus expanding in good lands close to our capital, and hindering their efforts at counterattack. Besides, since it is unlikely we can conquer them at once, we could milk as many techs, cities and money as possible in the peace negociations, to resume the invasion on the remaining Spanish lands 20 turns later.

Until Spain becomes a harmless State we can take on when we please, the only infrastructure we should concentrate on are barracks and harbors: for the rest, let's swing our axes


Edit: I am normally a builder, a defender of the builder way. But we need to use our main asset the best we can, especially as we are in a weak situation. Berzies are probably the best UU in the game for a "rebirth" of a weak civilization. They are vastly overpowered for a medieval unit, they are highly mobile, and they are plentiful (thanks to the GA they provoke). Besides, the AI has trouble opposing a well-crafted human invasion.

If we miss our opportunity at territorial expansion during our GA, we are as good as toast. There will be no other opportunity to beat opponents who rely on superior technology and superior production. Maybe we could survive till the end of the game, but we'll have no chance whatsoever to win.

	30-03-2004 06:52									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Edit: I am normally a builder, a defender of the builder way. But we need to use our main asset the best we can, especially as we are in a weak situation. Berzies are probably the best UU in the game for a "rebirth" of a weak civilization. They are vastly overpowered for a medieval unit, they are highly mobile, and they are plentiful (thanks to the GA they provoke). Besides, the AI has trouble opposing a well-crafted human invasion. If we miss our opportunity at territorial expansion during our GA, we are as good as toast. There will be no other opportunity to beat opponents who rely on superior technology and superior production. Maybe we could survive till the end of the game, but we'll have no chance whatsoever to win.

Yes that is why I am for using them this way, we wont have a chance to use the infrustructure we build if we don't expand some more. So I'd rather wait on the infrustruture and be able to use it.

	30-03-2004 07:50									#6
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well as leader of the PPV i of course cal lfor more barracks and more berzerkers.... to war boys, letsa get madrid !!!!!

	30-03-2004 08:32									#7
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I agree with Spiffor, Berzerkers all the way. We are so far behind in Techs (an era), there is no way we can catch up by building the infrastructures.

If you have any doubts, please refer to Mountain Sage's post on the Strategy Forum. This is Emperor level, and his win with Berzerkers is truly impressive.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...949#post2647949

	30-03-2004 08:51									#8
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Build berzerkers, temples, harbors, markets & banks, in that order. Other military units as necessary. Skip all knowledge (ie library) buildings.

	30-03-2004 11:37									#9
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to war to war fine vikings , your country needs you !!!!

	30-03-2004 13:23									#10
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With the exception of a very few critical improvements like Temples for happiness, build only 'Zerks as long as we can support them. The one thing else we should consider is the FP, if we decide (and capture) a decent located city on Persia or Egypt, should we take them on.

	30-03-2004 16:13									#11
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Yes, absolutely - lets start a oscillating war system vs Spain, Egypt and Persia until we own the south

	30-03-2004 16:45									#12
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Maki wants to own the South and rechristen this new Southern power 'The Republic of Texas'!

	30-03-2004 16:46									#13
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I don't think it is that easy, however, Makalhua.

Our Berzerkers are still valid attackers as long as infantries aren't around to defend our enemy's cities. With infantry (10 defense ), our berzes will suffer really massive losses before killing one.

After the Spanish wars (as the Spaniards are fortunately defended by riflemen ), we will need to attack either a rather backward neighbour who still doesn't have infantries, or we'll have to make very big stacks of cannons to go along with our berzes and cavalries. Against infantry, 20 cannons against each city is not too much, unfortunately

	30-03-2004 19:33									#14
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the Problem is our weak neighbors are all pretty far away from us.

	01-04-2004 16:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I don't think it is that easy, however, Makalhua. Our Berzerkers are still valid attackers as long as infantries aren't around to defend our enemy's cities. With infantry (10 defense ), our berzes will suffer really massive losses before killing one. (

Infantry 8.12.2

	01-04-2004 18:37									#16
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No, Infantry= 6.10.1
The only thing we can compete against them is attack value. 6 attack is the best possible, before tanks (except for the Sipahi, but they're not in).

	01-04-2004 18:54									#17
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I think the differnce is PTW to C3C

	02-04-2004 01:49									#18
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Note that defending units fight at higher values than listed. (Fortify bonus, terriagn bonus)

To successfully invade a city defended by Riflemen, it would be best if we had at least 1.5 Berskers per defending Riflemen.

Against Inf we need to bombard the infs first.

	02-04-2004 02:13									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor No, Infantry= 6.10.1

Sorry I should have check in the game instead of the manual for Civ III

	02-04-2004 03:56									#20
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Note that defending units fight at higher values than listed. (Fortify bonus, terriagn bonus) To successfully invade a city defended by Riflemen, it would be best if we had at least 1.5 Berskers per defending Riflemen.

Actually, in case of Madrid, we will fight against riflemen sporting a whooping 14 defense

3 berzies per rifleman is the very minimum to take this city, but I think we'll need more. At least 4 per defending unit to be sure.

If everything is well, we should have 12 to 13 galleys upon attack against Madrid, i.e 24 to 26 berzies. Could be better, but that may do, since the AI doesn't know how to supplement a city's defense from other cities.