30-03-2004 05:58									#1
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E_T reports Micaelis Rex has joined the PTW ISDG FAM channel (apparently still in his channel lists ) looking for C3C ISDG FAM officials.

I have not joined the channel in case the FAM wants to stall this chat and not present much C3C ISDG activity. However, here is E_T's conversation with him. (Posting for him as he has to reboot)

quote: * MRex has joined #isdgfamtalks [MRex] hi * E_T is now known as E_T_waking_up [E_T_waking_up] Hello [MRex] hi [MRex] you part of the c3c isdg? [E_T_waking_up] Ah, yes, what team are you again? [MRex] cdg [MRex] we've just met... [E_T_waking_up] let me see about getting someone [MRex] thanks [MRex] is this channel safe? [E_T_waking_up] your kind of in the wrong room for this, but thats o.k., because all present are in the APO team on that game [E_T_waking_up] not secure [MRex] what is the right room? [E_T_waking_up] as far as I know, the C3C team doesn't have a meeting room like this one set up yet, but I could be wrong [MRex] ok [MRex] who are the consuls for your team atm? [E_T_waking_up] as my time is taken up with PTW ISDG and I'm only post in the other sometimes [E_T_waking_up] but let me try to get someone [MRex] k [E_T_waking_up] are you in any other chatrooms/channels besides this one?? [MRex] no [MRex] not on this server [MRex] i'm in the cdg chatroom though... [MRex] get ahold of anyone? [E_T_waking_up] trying to post in our private forum [E_T_waking_up] I'm having problems, trying to get someone else to * E_T_waking_up wonders if the c3c team even has gotten around to setting up a channel like this one

	30-03-2004 06:13									#2
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I am doing a quick chat with him now. Very unofficial.

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#c3cisdgfamtalks Hellothere

Thanks to E_T and / or Kloreep for setting it up.

	30-03-2004 06:35									#4
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Talk, Bronze for WC, with fine tuning (ie - cost difference) to be worked out.

With our aggressive policy, lets not give them bronze yet....

	30-03-2004 06:42									#5
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Chat still going on?

Thanks for filling in GK.

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Yep. still on.

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aargh - dinner.

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quote: Originally posted by Beta aargh - dinner.

Tasty monkey-poo?

	30-03-2004 07:38									#9
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Definatley no BW in any trade whatsoever.

We need to stall these guys a bit on this matter. Any ideas on how we can do that without seeming suspecious?

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I kept getting cut off. D@mn Java. Here are my notes.
Louis the XXIV is their foreign dude, and he just showed up with my last disconnect.

Lies to MRex that I made:
We are to the NORTH of him
We are and have been pre-building for a granary
Our second city will definitely be on the water for us to build Curragh’s.
We are debating on what to research next, writing or Iron working
We are limited in how far NORTH we can expand

Info I gave them:
First city not on the water
It would take us 35-40 turns to research writing (they will get it in less than 30)

Actual trade up for discussion:
Bronze for WC, with minor adjustments to be made if the science cost is not the same (nobody wanted to bother looking it up)

IF we go the route of Iron – they will trade
WC & Writing FOR BW, Iron & Pottery

This would put us on a path for…. Republic.

This is the general idea: With both of us having writing, one of us researched COL and the other Philosophy. We time it so that the team that gets philosophy first already has COL (which the other team already researched) and the free tech is Republic. Then they trade Philosophy and Republic to the team that researched COL. Both teams end up even in tech with Republic.

Questions asked of us:
How close are we to him (answer I gave him is less than 20 – but he figured out that as it is less than 20 turns….. d@mn).
He wanted to know which way we could expand. (answer I gave him was slightly more than ½ way SOUTH towards him, but then we would go west).

Info he gave us
Their first research was going for philosophy. They are almost done with writing.
They are at a dead end peninsula. There is nothing to the South or East of him.
They have a warrior and a Curragh sorta near each other. From the way he was talking, he didn’t realize that we cannot see him as we are one save behind….

	30-03-2004 07:44									#11
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First part of the #c3cisdgfamtalks chat with CDG.

quote: [18:19] * Now talking in #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:20] * MRex has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:20] * E_T sets mode: +o Kloreep [18:20] [MRex] hi everyone [18:20] * E_T sets mode: +o MRex [18:20] * Godking has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:20] [Kloreep] Hi [18:20] [Godking] hello [18:20] [E_T] I just made this room, will password in in a second [18:20] * E_T sets mode: +o Godking [18:20] [Godking] I hate java. [18:21] [Godking] can I just say that. [18:21] * E_T sets mode: +nts [18:21] * E_T sets mode: +k Hellothere [18:21] [MRex] heh, so do i [18:21] [Godking] for the record, I hate java [18:21] [E_T] Password is Hellothere, case sensitive [18:21] [MRex] As I said before, CDG is glad to meet the friendly Apolotonians [18:21] [Godking] So, what, if any, techs are you willing to trade. We have bronze. [18:22] * Sharpe has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:22] [MRex] We have Warrior Code [18:22] * Kloreep sets mode: +o Sharpe [18:24] [Sharpe] Anything interesting so far guys? [18:24] [MRex] Who is your ambassador to Elucida btw? [18:25] [Godking] Is that an even trade you are thinking of? [18:25] [MRex] Possibly [18:25] [Godking] no idea. I don't follow much in the trade department. [18:26] [E_T] As far as I had read yesterday, they were stilll setting up a contact person [18:26] [MRex] Mind if I ask what you are researching? It would not be beneficial for us to research the same thing if we are to become trading partners [18:27] [Godking] this screen keep going blank on me. BRB [18:27] [E_T] that I can't say, because of not being as involed in that game because of PTWDG involvement [18:27] [MRex] Who is in charge of the game on poly's end? [18:28] * Godking has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:28] [E_T] I'm the minister of interior in PTWDG game and it takes all of my time, I rate about 2-3 posts per week in the c3cisdg forum [18:29] [E_T] Anyways, I'm starting to get unstable here, and I need to reboot, I'll be back shortly. [18:29] [MRex] k [18:30] [E_T] Is someone loging this? Kloreep?? Sharp?? [18:30] [Sharpe] Kloreep I think right? [18:30] [Kloreep] I'll keep this open and can save the log later [18:30] [Kloreep] I GG though [18:30] [Kloreep] Sorry [18:30] * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|away [18:31] [MRex] hasn't been much to log yet [18:31] [Sharpe] I must have bad BO , I come on and everyone leaves [18:32] [E_T] true, but you never know while I'm rebooting shortly,... [18:32] [E_T] No sharp, just bad timing,,,,, [18:32] * Godking has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:32] [MRex] welcome back [18:32] [Godking] back, I think [18:32] [Godking] hello. [18:33] [E_T] when I have to get someone else to post in poly for me and my explorer starts doing funky things, it;s time to reboot.... * Logging #c3cisdgfamtalks to 'C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\#c3cisdgfamtalks.GRNet.log' [18:34] [Godking] Would you like me to post the idea of WC for Bronze? I dont know the trade ratios off hand, but I am sure that minor adjustments can be made. [18:35] [MRex] sure, atleast something would be getting started [18:35] [MRex] [18:35] [Godking] OK. I will post it tonight. If you don't mind me asking, I assume you built a curragh either first or second. Which way did it go? [18:35] [E_T] what I have done, in my own personal games, is take that difference and apply it as colateral for the next tech trade, but then that's just me [18:36] [E_T] and that all depends on the research paths,.. [18:36] [Godking] Same here, or I jsut turn it into gold. [18:36] [MRex] I'm sure something can be worked out [18:36] * Sharpe sets mode: +o Godking [18:37] [MRex] May I ask how far your city(s) are away from your warrior? [18:37] * E_T has quit IRC (Quit: rebooting, back in a few) [18:38] [Godking] Sure, less then 20 squares. [18:38] [Godking] I am not sure exactly. [18:38] [MRex] lol [18:39] [MRex] have we even played 20 turns? super warrior! [18:39] [Godking] I think we are on 18, but I am not sure.... [18:39] [Godking] Our warrior moves by leaps and bounds... [18:39] [Godking] [18:39] [MRex] i assume do to the lack of turns we are fairly close to each other, this makes it important that we keep up good relations. any conflict can spoil both our chances of advancing to the next round [18:40] [Godking] We know. That is why we were so surprized to meet you so soon. Standard map with only 5 civs, you should be at least 20 squares away. [18:41] [Sharpe] yeah, but is this a modded map? [18:41] [Godking] Wonder how this happened.... [18:41] [Godking] no. They had 5 maps, then they looked and voted on the one they thought was the most fair. [18:41] [MRex] the map is random, except to make sure no one starts in a ton of jungle and such... [18:42] [MRex] well yes, they did select the random map to use [18:43] [MRex] even if we are very close, with tight city spacing it shouldn't be too hard to deal with [18:43] [Godking] Is any other team seafaring? I think that might explain it. [18:43] [MRex] no, just us [18:43] [Godking] That explains it then. [18:44] [Godking] With only 1 seafaring civ, it didn't place your civ in the standard pattern. [18:44] [Godking] There should still be enough room for us both, but it may be oddly shaped is all. [18:45] [MRex] other civs can always be cleared to make more room [18:45] [MRex] i mean 3rd parties of course [18:45] [Godking] What - your not volunteering.... [18:46] [Sharpe] GK - WE aren't volunteering either [18:46] [Godking] You have a curragh right? Did it go north or south? [18:47] [Godking] Just currious, as I would like to know just how big our island is. [18:47] [Sharpe] does CDG have any preferences as to who they would prefer eliminated? [18:48] [MRex] we did build a curragh, it is nearby your warrior [18:48] [MRex] well, not quite, but in the vincinity [18:48] [MRex] nah, we're non discriminatory conquerers [18:48] [MRex] you? [18:49] [Godking] OK. I am 1 turn out of date with my latest save. [18:49] [MRex] what have you been able to build so far? [18:49] [Godking] No. Our first city is not on the water, but our second one will be. [18:49] [Godking] We are prebuilding for a grainary [18:49] [MRex] so you can expand west? [18:49] [Sharpe] no choices yet - although given their performance in the PTWISDG , I wonder if GWT should be targeted - too bad GCA isn't in our game as everyone would target them [18:50] [MRex] yeah, they wouldn't last long [18:50] [Sharpe] personal opinion btw not a team choice [18:50] [MRex] me too, i would rather kill them than anyone else, but that is just me [18:51] [Godking] I think we might be able to work a westward expansion out. We need some room to our south though, so we may be getting a little close to you, but not by much more than 1/2 way. [18:51] [MRex] GWT is giving you some grief in the other idg? [18:52] [Godking] Of course. [18:52] [MRex] i don't know much about the brazilians [18:52] [Sharpe] and GCA is still being a royal pain even after their defeat in our war of course [18:52] [Godking] We are going through major discussions in the other game about our research path. [18:53] [MRex] whatever leads to nukes is my favorite option [18:53] [Godking] [18:53] [Sharpe] frankly our first nuke on Poly in PTWDG should be named "Die Lucky Die!" [18:54] [Godking] Die, Lucky Dice [18:54] [Godking] more likely.... gotta be some lucky dice roles..... [18:54] [MRex] what ways can you expand (preferably not towards us)? [18:55] [Godking] We can go a little to the north. Our westward exploration is not very thurough yet, but is showing prommise. Our south has you. [18:55] [Sharpe] and you? [18:56] [MRex] so you are basically north of where your warrior is? [18:56] [Godking] North and a little west, but mostly north. [18:56] [Godking] How is your south and east? [18:56] [MRex] yeah, we are south of you [18:56] [MRex] bad and worse [18:57] [Sharpe] you want bad - I started a C3C game and had 4 volcanoes near my capital [18:57] [Godking] Ouch. [18:57] [MRex] basically, we have to expand north/west to get anywhere [18:58] [Godking] We need to go a little south, but not to close. I think we will be ok with tight spacing. [18:58] [Godking] It looks like we have the room to make it work [18:59] * E_T has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [18:59] [Godking] West shouldn't be a problem. [18:59] [MRex] yep, it should work fine [18:59] [E_T] back, but have to go AFK for a bit [18:59] * E_T is now known as E_T_AFK [18:59] [MRex] may i ask what you are researching? [18:59] [Godking] K [19:00] [MRex] it wouldn't be beneficial to go on the same path... [19:00] [Godking] Are you researching the philosophy path? [19:00] [Sharpe] agreed, except I can't seem to find any thread on our research, can anyone else? [19:00] [Godking] We are debating it for our next, along with Iron to find those tiles before you do. [19:01] [MRex] we have a stickied screenshot thread with a dozen shots updated turnly. works wonders [19:01] [E_T_AFK] IIRC, that is still be be decided, because of not being finished with current research, but then I could be confusing DG's.... [19:02] [MRex] so you are doing IW? [19:02] [Godking] We do a new thread with each turn, and separate threads for each office (ie- city planning) [19:02] * E_T_AFK is in TOO many Demogames.... [19:02] [MRex] amen to that, i'm in 5 at last count [19:03] [Godking] don't know yet. We are thinking that we have the best chance for philoso if you didn't go that route first thing. Thus my question. I hate to have us both working on writing at the same time. [19:03] [Godking] We will have to decide soon also. [19:03] * Kloreep|away is now known as Kloreep [19:04] [MRex] we can go for philo if you aren't [19:04] [Godking] what are you resarching now? [19:04] [MRex] are we the only 2 civs with alpha to start? [19:04] [Kloreep] Yep [19:04] [Godking] yep [19:04] [MRex] hmm [19:05] [MRex] maybe one of us could get col while the other does philo to get republic together [19:05] [Godking] That is an idea..... [19:06] [Kloreep] That would be great if someone could research CoL fast enough [19:06] [MRex] don't think anyone else will be going for it, they realize one of us should get it [19:06] [Godking] how far into writing are you? [19:06] [MRex] that is what we first went for [19:06] [Godking] That is our idea. We are the only two real candidates. [19:07] [MRex] how many turns away from it are you? [19:07] [Godking] How soon could you trade it? We have not started yet, but could probably get writing in about 35-40 [19:08] [MRex] we can get it sooner than that. you're getting pottery then? [19:08] [MRex] not sure exactly, but under 30 turns til we have it [19:08] [Godking] Ya. We kinda gave that away with the paper we published. [19:08] [E_T_AFK] Remember, we have NO people who are in a position to make these kind of desicions here, so what we talk about a long these lines is not official in any way shape or form [19:09] [MRex] yeah, i can't make decisions without my team voting on it either [19:09] [Godking] Ya, thanks for re-iterating that E_T. This is jsut a friendly chat. We will post a summary for discussion however. [19:11] [MRex] right now it seem that we can work with a straight up trade with no left over beakers. [19:11] [E_T_AFK] MRex, are you in any other Demogames or MP/PBEM games currently? [19:11] [MRex] yeah, in 4 other demogames atm [19:11] [Kloreep] Yikes [19:12] [Kloreep] Actualyl, I'm in 4 others too [19:12] [Godking] OK. If we do this, we gotta have some super in place aliances. This is the raw proposal - we work together, trading techs, so that we both have COL before getting philosophy, and then Republic is the free tech that we share between us. [19:12] [E_T_AFK] did you emigrate to another team in the PTW ISDG or just leave it all total when GCA took you all out? [19:12] [MRex] if you could research IW after you get pottery, then we can do WC-Writing for Pott-BW-IW. just an idea [19:12] [MRex] i'm not on any team atm [19:12] [E_T_AFK] ah [19:13] [MRex] cfc has given me access to their private forum to follow the game though [19:13] [Godking] Nice. [19:14] [Sharpe] oh so you know about the major GWT-CGN war then? [19:14] [MRex] yeah [19:15] [MRex] is your start suited to rapid science early on? [19:15] [E_T_AFK] Yah, we figure that CGN is not long for this world and that APO will have to "rescue" them ala CDG and GWT with GCA (without the unit warps) [19:17] * E_T_AFK is now known as E_T_making_coffee [19:17] [Godking] Was the unit warp disapproved? I never did find out about much on that topic? [19:17] [MRex] there is a gazillion posts on it, never went through them all [19:18] [MRex] Any ideas for trade you guys have? [19:19] [E_T_making_coffee] well, IIRC, GWT still wants a limited ability to do that, but Poly is standing firm [19:19] [E_T_making_coffee] but we are still discussing it [19:19] [E_T_making_coffee] atleast they are talking about something [19:20] [E_T_making_coffee] which is more than they have talked to us this whole game, IIRC [19:20] * Kloreep is now known as Kloreep|away [19:20] [E_T_making_coffee] which is not good when your dealing with a Diplo heavy team, makes them suspicious of your motives... [19:20] [Godking] Yep. Silent people, them GWT'ers. [19:21] * Louis_XXIV has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [19:21] [Louis_XXIV] Hi [19:21] [MRex] welcome louis [19:21] [MRex] this is our minister of foreign affairs everyone [19:21] [Sharpe] Hi [19:22] [MRex] now i'm only outnumbered 2:1 [19:22] [E_T_making_coffee] well, we have you FAM and none of ours, only our MoI and a few semiactive posters [19:22] [Godking] Greetings or foreign one. [19:22] [Godking] oops... should be oh not or [19:22] [Sharpe] calling me semiactive is an exageration - so far I have only voted in polls [19:23] [Godking] I think I saw a post of yours. Just one though. [19:23] [Godking] brb [19:24] * E_T_making_coffee . [19:25] * Sharpe has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [19:28] [MRex] our vice president is on the way hopefully. trying to get in [19:28] * Godking has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:36] * E_T_making_coffee hopes that someone of equil rank from our team shows up [19:36] * Louis_XXIV has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:37] * Louis_XXIV has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [19:38] [MRex] welcome back [19:38] * kane77077 has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [19:38] [MRex] welcome kane [19:38] [kane77077] hi [19:38] [MRex] everyone, may i introduce kane77077, Vice President of Elucida [19:39] [kane77077] no applause, please [19:39] [Louis_XXIV] Welcome [19:40] [MRex] heh, looks like we're staging a takeover of the poly chatroom [19:40] [MRex] where are your consuls?? [19:40] * Togas has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [19:40] [Togas] hello [19:40] [MRex] hi there [19:40] [kane77077] *team CDG has hijacked another chat! * [19:40] [MRex] lol, shh, someone is here now [19:41] * Kloreep|away is now known as Kloreep|inandout [19:41] [Kloreep|inandout] BTW Togas, good itiming [19:41] [Kloreep|inandout] [19:40] [MRex] heh, looks like we're staging a takeover of the poly chatroom [19:41] [Kloreep|inandout] [19:40] [MRex] where are your consuls?? [19:41] [Kloreep|inandout] [19:40] * Togas has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks [19:41] [Kloreep|inandout] [19:40] [Togas] hello [19:41] [kane77077] hello togas [19:41] [Togas] nice [19:41] * Kloreep|inandout sets mode: +ooo E_T_making_coffee kane77077 Louis_XXIV [19:42] [MRex] so you are a consul? [19:42] [Togas] Right now I'm reviewing what's already been said [19:42] [Togas] I'm one of the three

	30-03-2004 08:13									#12
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	30-03-2004 08:16									#13
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Thanks, but I have one. IM. Although now that I finally got mIRC to work........

	30-03-2004 08:25									#14
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Summary:

Did a little explaining of our governments.

I brought up again the Free Republic idea that GK posted above because it really caught my eye (and it's good to talk about cooperative ideas like this, makes them believe that you believe in the value of cooperation).

They asked that we not scout any further, but we avoided and defused their request.

They asked to do the tech trade next turn. We told them we needed to poll first.

quote: excellent kane77077> sorry - I'm ignorant - is "consul" a leader? Togas> So you guys found Grog? Louis_XXIV> Yeah, they have 3 consuls who rule MRex> indeed we did Togas> We have a tripartate government with a sort of Roman like senate system MRex> didn't think we would find someone so early kane77077> Actually, I think Grog found us! MRex> yep E_T_making_coffee> Togas, why don't we first exchange our government makeups and structure to help lay common ground Togas> What 17 turns into the game? * Godking has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks Godking> hello MRex> Sure, out gov is made up of a series of ministers and a president. I'm the President, Kane is VP, Louis is foreign affairs minister, and manya is domestic minister. MRex> *our Togas> afk a sec ... phone E_T_making_coffee> keep talking, he'll see it Godking> so, what did I miss with this lousy connection E_T_making_coffee> how much power do the different ministers have over their areas of particular perview? E_T_making_coffee> Togas got here a couple minutes ago E_T_making_coffee> and a few more CDG'ers... MRex> domestic runs our workers, cities, build quenes, sliders, and research MRex> foreign runs all foreign affairs and issues of trade Godking> E_T, can you open a private window please? MRex> militaristic controls all military/exploration units MRex> i play the turns, and fill in when we need an order we don't have MRex> and kane backs me up Godking> I hate java E_T_making_coffee> our ministers are more advisory kane77077> so ALL decisions are made by the consuls? E_T_making_coffee> and help set policy Kloreep|inandout> The people and the consuls kane77077> How often are Consul elections held? Godking> Yep. As City Planner, IM, etc, I give advice, but that is all. E_T_making_coffee> well, they are team desisions, but the Consuls have the final say, especailly when there is an issue that is too close to call Kloreep|inandout> One seat is up for election each month E_T_making_coffee> 3 months term MRex> generally we all work together too, but that is the specific divisions Togas> back kane77077> who are the current consuls? MRex> your team is much bigger than ours as well E_T_making_coffee> and when an issue comes up and there isn;t time for full debate/polls and such, the consuls make the call as to what needs to be done, to help keep the game moving as fast as possible Togas> Current Consuls: Myself, conmcb25, OctavianX Godking> Togas is the most active consul. Nonmcb25 and OctavianX are the other two. MRex> do you have msn messenger? that is the easiest way to contact me on the fly kane77077> Was that the government structure for the PTW ISDG? Louis_XXIV> Yep Togas> It's the same government structure we used in the first ISDG game Togas> Once we get an ambassador picked (Which is Beta's job ... he's our Foreign Affairs Minister) we'll have to hook him up with your MSN info E_T_making_coffee> it is one reason that Poly has mostly had a very fast turn turnaround in that game Louis_XXIV> keep pushing my luck with my messed up irc MRex> As I said before, it is very important in a 5 player game that wars are avoided if at all possible. The first two teams to go to war might just be the two not to advance. MRex> We think it is in the best interests of both of us to maintain an agreeable relationship. Togas> good points MRex> If we are the only 2 on our island, and one of us is killed off by the other, then when we find the other continent that civ will be hopelessly behind. Togas> ok, i'm reviewing this idea of getting republic for free Togas> this is a pretty good idea MRex> it is appealing Togas> the only thing is that the team doing CoL is going to have to have the higher commerce, and the team doing Philo is probably going to have to slow down Togas> but you pull that off ... Republic for free. That's quite a bonus Godking> Or reasearch something else prior to philosophy. MRex> shouldn't take that much longer, and the team slowing down can give the other some of the extra gold they are generating... Togas> maybe something small ... mysticism or Wheel or whatnot Godking> Ya. Somethign that looses 5-10 turns to balance things out. Togas> but the idea that we share the spoils of Philosophy makes this a win-win sort of thing. Where we don't have to try to undercut each other MRex> exactly Togas> I like it Louis_XXIV> Won't we have to worry about the other continent beating us? Togas> they know we have alphabet MRex> us and poly are the only 2 civs to start with alphabet. i think we can pull this off... Louis_XXIV> Its worth a try Togas> I'm going to promote this idea to my team. See how the response is MRex> sure E_T_making_coffee> depends on their growth and trade balance * E_T_making_coffee is now known as E_T_outside_smoking MRex> before we get to that point however, writing would need to be gifted. the idea i had was pottery/IW/BW for WC/writing Togas> I'll have to check the #s on that. MRex> go ahead, but it turns out 11-11 Togas> * E_T_outside_smoking has quit IRC (Quit: ) MRex> if we may request one thing, can your warrior not advance further east as a sign of goodwill? nothing there besides us anyway... Togas> I think we want to continue to get a look at the shoreline, though * E_T has joined #c3cisdgfamtalks MRex> there isn't much more shoreline going east, you would have to backtrack anyway Togas> I understand your reluctance, but I don't think I can promise anything right now Togas> Nothing against you guys, but we did have a similar situation in the previous game. * E_T is now known as E_T_outside_smoking Godking> We will want to get a peek at just how the land goes. Louis_XXIV> Its going to be kind of disapointing, as far as strange new lands go Togas> I understand MRex> very well. it would be appreciated if you stick to hugging the coast them, if that is what you are after MRex> *then Godking> Thanks for the warning. Togas> we're after info. In C3C you can't trade maps until Nav Godking> Anything else? MRex> we can offer you warrior code this turn MRex> if you are willing to give us bw Togas> no need to offer this turn. give us a turn to poll this proposal MRex> ok Godking> Yep. Will take the discussion back to the people. Thanks though. MRex> as will we Godking> later. Thanks & Bye. MRex> This has been a productive chat. It has been nice getting to know our friends, may we stay that way for a long time. So long all.

	30-03-2004 09:59									#15
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Let me be the first the suggest a city placement plan that would seal them onto their tiny peninsula...

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rex rex rex rex hoplite walled hills.

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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Lies to MRex that I made: We are to the NORTH of him We are and have been pre-building for a granary Our second city will definitely be on the water for us to build Curragh’s. We are debating on what to research next, writing or Iron working We are limited in how far NORTH we can expand

Hmmm, Im not trying to criticize here Im just trying to understand, why did we tell them we were to the north?

Thats going to be a tough lie to get out of if we go the cooperative route.

The other ones we can get out of pretty easily.

Thanks for stepping up last night Klo. It figures the one night I take off to get some sleep after it was SO DEAD on sunday, is the day a ton of $**** happens

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Lies, huh?


hmmm...

* UnOrthOdOx checks to make sure he's not dealing with GodKing and his lies in any other games...

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The main reason I said North was because we are still looking to attack them at that stage of the conversation, and I did not want them to know which way for them to send their retailation. If we go the friendly route, simple, we tell them the truth of why I lied, say sorry, and move on.

I lied a lot in this chat. Far more than I was completely comfortable doing.

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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Lies, huh? hmmm... * UnOrthOdOx checks to make sure he's not dealing with GodKing and his lies in any other games...

ZargonX probably wishes Godking was part of the Tabemono PBEM now. Then Zargon wouldn't be the top man on UnO's "List".

	31-03-2004 07:55									#22
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing The main reason I said North was because we are still looking to attack them at that stage of the conversation, and I did not want them to know which way for them to send their retailation. If we go the friendly route, simple, we tell them the truth of why I lied, say sorry, and move on.

As I posted in another thread, I think we can simply say we weren't comfortable letting them know the real location of our capital, considering that we were not sure of their intentions and had only one warrior in our capital, with a defenseless granary and then defenseless pop units to follow in the queue.

Micaelis was certainly aggressive on his questioning at times. I think Vander will be getting some practice in saying "poke your nose in to other business" diplomatically.