17-05-2004 00:10									#61
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Looks very nice so far!

	17-05-2004 04:56									#62
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I am blown away!

A stunning map layout, Harry!

	24-05-2004 00:54									#63
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Hey everyone, got a little update for you. Here are the units in progress. I am doing my best to use Fairline's style as he has really captured the 19th century extremely well. My process has been cut and paste some of his civil war units to make some regular "civilian" units for use in this rough and tumble saloon town. After cutting and pasting I've added a few touches of my own to finish the unit off. I've also been using Exile's Imperialism unit.gif as a starting point so as to get in the right frame of mind.

As you can see, I have included some of Eivind's units for the prostitutes and one or two of Nemo's horse drawn wagon units.

I have encountered a bit of writers block at the moment and have decided to ask everyone as to their ideas of units to add to the scenario. I'm thinking that a few "famous faces" need to appear.

Any suggestions?

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	24-05-2004 00:58									#64
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Oh, and the saloon "shields" I am hoping to replace with custom made saloon owner units. I just have to actually make them first.

The five owners are:

The Bloon Moon Saloon: Tye Oliver
The Golden Nugget: Al Sergander
The 5 Star Saloon: Dan Dougherty
The Double Diamond Saloon: Jack Dawson
The Royale Inn Saloon: Rapier Royale

	24-05-2004 01:59									#65
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Butch Cassidy, Sundance Kid. Hole-In-the-Wall gang? Shane!

	24-05-2004 01:59									#66
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Wow, those are extremely nice mods Harry

	24-05-2004 15:13									#67
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@HarryTuttle:
Yeah, really... co()olt !!!
Keep on!

	24-05-2004 22:02									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle I have encountered a bit of writers block at the moment and have decided to ask everyone as to their ideas of units to add to the scenario. I'm thinking that a few "famous faces" need to appear. Any suggestions?

Just thinking aloud here, but how about each of the civs represent a character in the town? The 'sherriff' civ can build a posse and is the enemy of the 'outlaws' civ. Maybe have a civ for a rancher, with access to cattle upgrade-type techs, one for the saloon owner who can build prostitute 'spies' to steal techs and money from the other civs; the outlaws can't build so have to attack the other civs for money. You get the picture

	25-05-2004 04:28									#69
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Well, I'd like to maintain the saloon owner persona for the civs. That way the style of play won't be to different for each player in a multiplayer game.

I am going to use the cattle idea though. My mountains in terrain2 have just been turned into fences and I plan on making or finding a good longhorn and a rancher unit. They can be barb units with a bonus going to the player who "steals" a longhorn. Of course, the rancher will have a high powered rifle to discourage that practice.

Also, I made some nice cemetary flavor goodies for the special mountain terrains.

Wow, this is fun.

	25-05-2004 04:29									#70
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and GoPostal I will definately try my hand at those glorified gunslingers

	10-06-2004 07:50									#71
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And you thought this was dead....

Work In Progress saloons...

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	10-06-2004 11:56									#72
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Nice, is the US flag for the government, or cavalry?

	10-06-2004 12:30									#73
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@Harry Tuttle:
more and more...

	10-06-2004 15:15									#74
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Me like me like!!!
This one seems really interesting.. I know we're alot of players that want to playtest. *hint hint*

	10-06-2004 21:55									#75
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Thanks guys, little by little it's getting done. Playtesting will definately happen, but I can't pin a date right now.

quote: Originally posted by GoPostal Nice, is the US flag for the government, or cavalry?

Cavalry. They will be a continuous nuisance to your illegal settlement. Damn Washington politicians!

	11-06-2004 13:08									#76
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I'd play it.

	11-06-2004 18:57									#77
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Whats kept Civilization II going strong for all these years is inovative scenario's and concepts like this one Harry. Can't wait to play it!!

	11-06-2004 21:16									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Cavalry. They will be a continuous nuisance to your illegal settlement. Damn Washington politicians!

	17-06-2004 17:11									#79
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Looking Great - Love those cities!

	20-06-2004 20:11									#80
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Update:

1. Finishing up the last parts of the icons.gif file

2. Did some work on the labels.txt

3. Added 7 new units: Wild Bill Hickock, Calamity Jane, Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid, a Rancher, Cattle, and a Grizzly Bear.

4. Game.txt modified (if anyone wants to use it).


It's coming together.

	20-06-2004 20:51									#81
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Maybe you want to add Lucky Luke and the Daltons too D

	20-06-2004 21:17									#82
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@harrytuttle: this is a good new

@jimpanse: great idea!!!

	20-06-2004 21:24									#83
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Maybe you want to add Lucky Luke and the Daltons too D

I think I might stay away from the cartoons lest I add Quickdraw McGraw in there.

	21-06-2004 00:22									#84
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Indeed good news Harry!

	22-06-2004 18:51									#85
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Definately looking forward to this scenario, that and Deadwood on the TV

	11-07-2004 03:59									#86
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You know I have to say the most tedious part about making a "full" scenario like this one is editing the damn text files.

Would someone would like to help? Please, please, please....

Anyways, I'm finishing up the units and I need more universal unit for the players. So far I have:

Laborer
Irish Boxer
Railroad Man
Knife Fighter
Gun Man
Quickdraw
Bag Man
Prospector
Whore
French Whore
Madame
Highway Man
Scout

Special Units Open to All:
Wild Bill Hickock
Calamity Jane
Butch Cassidy
Sundance Kid
Seth Bullock
Army Deserter

I have 10 more slots to fill. Any suggestions on normal, non special, units?

	11-07-2004 05:23									#87
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Drunk
Undertaker
Settler
"Man with No Name" (though I guess that would be a special unit)

	11-07-2004 05:54									#88
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Well I have two settler units that can build saloons and terrain improvements. The Laborer and the initial 'Settler For Founding The Saloons'. If for some reason I have too many units for the slots I'll combine the two.

As for "settlers" coming into the valley, as people were want to do when seeking their fortune in the Black Hills, I have another unit that will have no attack or defense (or "settling" capability), belonging to the Sioux (Nature is another Civ which governs the mountain and impassable units) that will appear through events. This unit can be bribed and disbanded in the saloons to generate shields (high build price = high disbanding bonus) for production. The main job of the prostitutes is to "bribe" these units so that a player can gain money (aka. business/commerce) through new settlers entering the valley.

As for the Drunk and Undertaker, how could I use them? Scouting units? Caravans? Let me know your thoughts.

	12-07-2004 00:23									#89
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To be honest, I have no idea. I was really just thinking of what type of characters I'd expect to find in a Western, and hoping you'd suddenly think up some brilliant use for them.

Well, the drunks could either just be "military" units (somewhat like the Irish Boxer?), or maybe barbarian units created by events that rampage through town occasionally (though that wasn't quite the thing you were asking help for).

	17-07-2004 11:15									#90
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Woohoo! 7 more unit spots to go. Terrain1.gif is nearly finished as I have three more terrain tiles to make. Icons.gif is almost done except for the Wonders Icons. Cities.gif still has some three more cities to fill, but I'll make that up. The text files ar 30% of the way there too. Slow and steady it's getting done.