31-05-2004 19:50									#61
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I think they will release a final patch, as I said at the time, but it was never likely to come quickly. They made public the fact that almost no one was still working on Civ3, despite the blatant things that need fixing.

	31-05-2004 23:36									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I think they will release a final patch, as I said at the time, but it was never likely to come quickly. They made public the fact that almost no one was still working on Civ3, despite the blatant things that need fixing.

hi ,

and then to think about the fact that millions of copies can still be sold , ......

have a nice day

	31-05-2004 23:44									#63
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Well from their perspective it isn't the point, since any prospective new buyers wont be bothered by some bugs/imbalances they may never notice playing by themselves.

The only case that can be made is that Firaxis shoot themselves in the foot by signalling to the community that they wont support Civ4 when Civ5 is underway, which is not a wise thing to signal.

I guess they are gambling that we will buy either way and hope.

Sadly their cynical (hypothetical ) viewpoints on both these issues is probably right.

	01-06-2004 00:25									#64
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well, jesse admitted that firaxis did lots of mistakes and that they've learned of it.

yes, i know, talk is cheap... but one good step in making the game quality more promising: they've started from scratch! even in c3c there was still code from civ1 and civ2 in it. hearing from people who saw the code, the general comment was "uhrghhhhh"

and despite the bugs still in c3c... the game is very well playable and still is a lot of fun!

and panag: no, i doubt millions more can be sold... most who want the game, have it already...

	10-06-2004 14:21									#65
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf yes, i know, talk is cheap... but one good step in making the game quality more promising: they've started from scratch! even in c3c there was still code from civ1 and civ2 in it. hearing from people who saw the code, the general comment was "uhrghhhhh"

Of course, having to start from scratch doesn't give me confidence in the original products. Reusing code from Civ1 and Civ2 shouldn't be problematic if it were well-engineered, but if it makes people go "uhrghhhhh"...people think it's normal for code to become horrible over time, but really, it isn't.

Of course, that doesn't make the games worth less than they are. And many games have it much worse. You wanna know how much worse? SimCity 2000 reused a bunch of code from The Sims. (Yeah, The Sims had a good number of years before being completed and released, but there was still code for it way back then.) Even the final version of the code had routines like DrawHouse and DrawYard that didn't do anything like the names suggested. And, in my opinion, the actual product wasn't a whole lot better. SimCity 2000 is definitely my least-favorite of the SimCity games...

- Kef

	10-06-2004 15:28									#66
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well, you're forgetting that civ1 is over 10 years old and was programmed by a young and not well funded team.

and software engineering isn't a new concept, but it only seems that in the last few years its importance is seen and valued by many companies.

completely rewriting code lets them get a clean start. and after what i've seen from and heard about the code of civ3... it was really miserable in some parts!

anyway, rewriting or extending... in the end it's important that the total cost (including patching, maintaining and expansion packs) is low. with the old code of civ, this isn't guaranteed (that's why the submarine bug still couldn't be figured out )

	10-06-2004 16:27									#67
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yes they could fix this

\they have our money

we have their unfinished product

they are creeps for cheating us

they are lucky we are loyal to the legend of Civ

if they went bankrupt tomorrow and were thrown into a debtors gaol, I would not weep to much

I ask, and have asked before, where did all the money go?

why did they continue to put out such shoody patches?

inquiring minds are curious

	11-06-2004 03:34									#68
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do you know how long it takes to download 24 mb on dialup?
To fu*king long!

	11-06-2004 03:39									#69
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Downloading at night and using downloads managers could help greatly.

I could donwload more then 50MB that way per night.
(and I have crappy dial up)

	11-06-2004 04:06									#70
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find a friend/work colleague, ask him to download it and burn it on a CD. takes 10mins and costs <1$... easiest

	11-06-2004 12:14									#71
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quote: Originally posted by rickontherun_21 do you know how long it takes to download 24 mb on dialup? To fu*king long!

keep trying

I am on dialup, and it worked for me... and we have had several patches

the night time idea by Player1 is a good one

	11-06-2004 13:57									#72
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Why are people still on dialup?

	11-06-2004 14:07									#73
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maybe some countries that own the entire telephone system think its smart to charge outgrageous fees for broadband

	11-06-2004 14:07									#74
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costs nothing here

and still easy to use

like getting free petrol as long as you can handle not having the speed / performance of a Porsche.....

OKOK

bloody good question

	11-06-2004 14:17									#75
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quote: Originally posted by smellymummy maybe some countries that own the entire telephone system think its smart to charge outgrageous fees for broadband

oh great ragged one, sometimes I wonder if you really are down here in Oz...

	11-06-2004 14:20									#76
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my connections span the universe...

well nearly

on topic though, is there any word at all on when that patch is supposed to arrive

	11-06-2004 14:30									#77
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the patch will be ready by the turn of the century

firaxis have added a new twist to the game - you choose the century

	11-06-2004 14:33									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot costs nothing here and still easy to use like getting free petrol as long as you can handle not having the speed / performance of a Porsche..... OKOK bloody good question

apparantly not easy to use since you can hardly download patches

	11-06-2004 14:34									#79
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What's supposed to be in the next patch anyway?

	11-06-2004 14:35									#80
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more fixes

	11-06-2004 14:50									#81
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and possibly (following their track record) more bugs

* Paddy the Scot pours a long cold beer

I like this game alot

and yet am constantly puzzled by the many many listed bugs

	11-06-2004 15:08									#82
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Nah, the 1.22 hardly has any bugs left over.
The things is that there are some serious bugs.

But compared to 1.15b, 1.22 has less bugs, and didn't come with new bugs.

	11-06-2004 15:09									#83
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Besides that, software does have bugs.
It always has had bugs and it'll always have bugs.
The more complex the software is, the more bugs it'll have.

That's something we'll have to live with.
It's impossible to deliver a 100% perfect piece of software that satisfies people at the same time.

	11-06-2004 15:11									#84
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Why are people still on dialup?

In Belgrade, DSL is a myth.

	11-06-2004 15:18									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 What's supposed to be in the next patch anyway?

hopefully lots of bugfixes!

the scientific golden age, AI army bugs (not building their own, not attacking yours), sissyboy barbarians, submarine bug, irrigating grassland in despotism, infinite unit building at sid, not hooking up rubber in wetlands, etc. etc etc.

ETA: no one knows... jesse has been quiet for over a month.

	11-06-2004 15:37									#86
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf hopefully lots of bugfixes! the scientific golden age, AI army bugs (not building their own, not attacking yours), sissyboy barbarians, submarine bug, irrigating grassland in despotism, infinite unit building at sid, not hooking up rubber in wetlands, etc. etc etc. ETA: no one knows... jesse has been quiet for over a month.

you point out some great bugs here


as to Jesse.... well is it not true that Jesse is just a figment of the Firaxis marketing departments imagination

	11-06-2004 16:09									#87
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I don't think we'll get another patch.

	11-06-2004 16:19									#88
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that would be such a shame

and thus a blight on the whole system and hierarchy at Atari / Firaxis

	11-06-2004 16:47									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot you point out some great bugs here

nothing new...

quote: as to Jesse.... well is it not true that Jesse is just a figment of the Firaxis marketing departments imagination

nope, jesse really does exist. he's one of the many personalities of sid meyer (who by the way is the only employee at firaxis and programs everything himself)


i hope some inside sources soon publish some information. i guess we all can live without another patch, but it would be nice if we at least knew what we can or can not expect...

	11-06-2004 16:54									#90
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indeed you listed nothing new, but yet again they have been listed

and yet again Firaxis is silent

as the saying goes...

so sad

too bad