01-04-2004 03:43									#1
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OK, simple question for you...

How do you upgrade all units of a common type. Since buying civ3 I have been spending hours at a time upgrading each knight to cavalry, or musketman to rifleman. I have missed the "upgrade all" option from SMAC (even though I only played it for a few weeks!). Now I hear there is an upgrade all option with civ3

How did I miss it!!

And where is it??

	01-04-2004 03:47									#2
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shift+U

	01-04-2004 03:50									#3
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Is there no buton or icon for it? No drop down menu? Does that seem old for such a helpful option? Why no listing of the hotkeys in the manual or anywhere else?

(Or am I just exposing my ignorance on this issue further?)

	01-04-2004 03:54									#4
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nope, no button.

personally i like hotkeys better.

there is a manual on the CD that should contain all the hotkeys, except those they added in patches (if there are any of those)

	01-04-2004 03:55									#5
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Thanks

	01-04-2004 03:56									#6
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If you go into thge civ encaiclopedia (Sorry, I can't spell that word), then Game concepts, there is a section called hotkeys. That has all of them in.

	01-04-2004 04:43									#7
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Icon would be a bit of an over kill form so seldom of a used item. Anyway Shift+U is about as easy as it can get.

	01-04-2004 06:26									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Krill If you go into thge civ encaiclopedia (Sorry, I can't spell that word), then Game concepts, there is a section called hotkeys. That has all of them in.

Cool, I didn't know that Thanks for the tip.

	01-04-2004 09:10									#9
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Some of us do prefer buttons, and having an additional one for this feature would not clutter up the screen too much...

	01-04-2004 11:04									#10
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You are kidding, right? It has too many buttons already. How often do you do a mass upgrade? So many that Shift U is a problem? I would rather they did some useful, like fix some bugs.

	01-04-2004 11:09									#11
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Oh come on, why fix bugs, when feeding them is so much more fun? Bring on the paint!!

	01-04-2004 11:53									#12
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Antrine, judging by your last few posts I get the feeling someone or something has seriously p****d you off today!

	01-04-2004 12:36									#13
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My apologies Thriller, oh and et al.

Well I have been working on a Mod for months. Firaxis cannot seem to keep simple priorities straight. That is unfortunately painfully apparent. Not jumping to errant conclusions here, just why change things we didn’t ask for, that are not particularly important, however then willy nilly drop the ball, leave off important matters, with few disclosures and all the while promising ‘something’ better with CIV 4? This only of course just mildly scratches the surface.

Rather than simply ranting (which generally is against my Philosophy ) I resort to sarcastic humor, well knowing there often is not much difference. But then, there decidedly does either seem much difference between a 'well fed bug' and genuine features so far concerns what appears to ‘habitual Firaxis behavior’.

Thanks for noticing.

	01-04-2004 13:03									#14
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Yes, I hear you. Some things have been changed for no apparent reason - like dumping Radio and other associated tech tree changes, which has apparently caused screw-ups in the graphics files. Although thse changes don't really bother me one way or the other, the associated bugs do. Furthermore, I haven't seen any explanation of why such changes were made (other than change for changes' sake), which I think would be rather nice to know.

And of course, plenty of people have gone to lengths to point out the bugs that Firaxis did not address, some even by their own admission. So I won't go into that.

Overall, it's nice to have them working on the product and serving the community with patches periodically, but a bit of a hollow victory when the result isn't up to scratch, as seems to be the case from the early comments I've seen so far (though I haven't personally installed the 1.20 patch yet).

	01-04-2004 13:05									#15
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Hmmm, apologies BF.....I've gone a little OT here (as in, a lot!).

	01-04-2004 23:05									#16
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 You are kidding, right?

No...

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 It has too many buttons already.

Your opinion...My opinion is otherwise. The buttons that they have added since civ3 was initially released take up very little of the map.

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 How often do you do a mass upgrade?

Quite often actually - I occasionally stockpile some gold and based on my circumstances (especially if I find myself all of a sudden in an unexpected war) I mass upgrade at that point - especially since upgrading is only needed to be done when facing a war.

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 So many that Shift U is a problem?

The point is that there are players who use the mouse more than the keyboard, and adding a graphic button to handle this apspect of the game is not a huge deal for a coder to pull off.

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I would rather they did some useful, like fix some bugs.

Based in 1.20, that isn't happening either... I guess they are saving up features for civ4.

	02-04-2004 00:08									#17
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I give up, you win.

	02-04-2004 00:22									#18
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vmxa1, do you keep all of the buttons on, the advanced unit actions, etc. They do clutter up the bottom of the screen.

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	02-04-2004 01:59									#19
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Personally, I keep all the buttons visible myself. Although I have no problem using keyboard commands for such things as “upgrade all”, I rarely touch the keyboard and use the mouse as much as possible.

	02-04-2004 02:02									#20
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I think it is easier (for some reason) to use the keyboard in the beginning, but when you finish rexing, there are to many lists to deal with, so you have to use the mouse.

Maybe that could be a new feature for civ4...

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	02-04-2004 02:04									#21
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I display all but the MP stuff. I should change that as I use very few of the icons.

	02-04-2004 02:15									#22
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If the game were perfect, you would be able to hide the buttons not used regularly (the worker button irrigate toward nearest city, comes to mind) and keep the ones you do use.

	02-04-2004 03:14									#23
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QUOTE//If the game were perfect//UNQUOTE by TheArsenal.

Not much risk of this happening...
However, I wonder if Sid would sell the game to a Society determined to preserve its glory. And maybe with access to the code could embark again on a real 'road of improvement'.

I know, I know I'm dreaming...

	02-04-2004 08:00									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Cool, I didn't know that Thanks for the tip.

Me neithier. Thanks for that bit of info Krill.

	02-04-2004 11:26									#25
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Buttons, hotkeys...I like buttons for the basic commands (irrigate, road, build city, et all), but for the advanced commands I would like them all accessable from the right-click menu, a la SMAC. I've always preferred that over cluttering buttons or having to memorize various key combos. I'm a mouse player, personally, but I don't really like having the advanced buttons visible either.

	04-04-2004 23:42									#26
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Since I play on a laptop, I pretty much have to use the mouse to move units, but otherwise I'm very much a hotkey person. Hotkeys rock!

	06-04-2004 21:56									#27
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If I could move without the mouse on my laptop, then I'd only use my mouse for diplomacy and advisor screens.

	07-04-2004 06:42									#28
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Clearly I've been using a mouse way too long to understand why anybody would prefer to use the keyboard!

	07-04-2004 08:37									#29
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I use the keys on my laptop. It can be a little... interesting at times moving diagonally without the benefit of a numeric pad. The way Home, PgUp, PgDn, and End are laid out on my keyboard is not exactly intuitive.

	07-04-2004 14:24									#30
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I use the F keys and the keyboard shortcuts extensively. It's so much faster.