01-04-2004 13:17									#1
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Ok, there are a number of proposals knocking about.

• One human team, against 6 AI factions.
  
• One human team, against single players controlling the AI factions.
  
• One human team, against once single GM controlling the AI factions.
  
• Three human teams, against 4 AI factions.
  
• Three human teams, against single players controlling the AI factions.
  
• Four human teams, against 3 AI factions.
  
• Four human teams, against single players controlling the AI factions.
  
• Five human teams, against 3 AI factions.
  
• Five human teams, against single players controlling the AI factions.
  
• Play with SMAC core rules
  
• Play with SMAX core rules
  
• Play with improved/assisted AI factions (small tweaks)
  
• Play with heavily modified alpha.txt
  

	01-04-2004 16:39									#2
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posted:

1 human and 6 sp (if possible else AI)
3 human and 4 sp (if possible else AI)
enchanced AI (dont care how)
Rules i dont give much for other people have something to say about that but not me

	01-04-2004 16:51									#3
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1 team vs AI
1 team vs SP factions
3 teams vs AI
enhanced AI
I would prefer standard rules or as close to as possible.

	01-04-2004 17:20									#4
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I went myself for

1, 3, 4 and 5 teams vs the AI

SMAC and SMAX

Improved AI.

-Jam

	01-04-2004 17:31									#5
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1 team vs AI only
SMAC or SMAX, modded rules or improved AI or both.

	01-04-2004 18:30									#6
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Who posted "other" without specifying an "other" option?

-Jam

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	01-04-2004 19:44									#8
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1 Human Faction vs 6 Single Players

Possibly more Human Factions but keep AI's to a minimum.

SMACX (our earlier poll showed a vasty majority have it and thouse who dont can likly be assisted in getting it)

Heavily Modified Alpha - much of the changes in my Mod (still under construction) would help with balance. If the Tec slowdown effects are droped then the games speed wont suffer. These changes will ofcorse need to be polled individualy, I am asuming that a Yes on this is "favorable view of the whole idea" without any specifics yet named.

	01-04-2004 20:14									#9
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hmm, i see that ppl favour SMAX...
Of course, I would *cough* NEVER *cough* suggest that someone sets up an FTP or something to DL the expansion pack for ppl that don´t have it, like me

btw. I voted:

- 1 team vs 6 single
- 3 team vs 4 single
- "other" for the type of game where a gamemaster does all the turns for various human factions & adds stuff like special events & additional options using sceanrio editor. If we can find someone who´s willing to do that

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	01-04-2004 20:34									#10
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I voted 1 team vs 6 single player and 3 teams vs 4 single player. I also voted for SMAX. My thought is that after the human faction chooses the faction it wants to play, the single players then can choose the factions that they want. They would be required to act out the characteristics of the chosen faction. Human team vs single players instead of AIs may enable some richer interactions and roleplays.

	01-04-2004 22:31									#11
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Not all together suprising.... SMAX, with either one versus SP factions, or 3 vs AI.. kind of odd... anyways, I was suprised not nearly as many people as I thought want to be submited to Googlie's whims!I don't really care that much, although I think a GM would be very interesting with an improved AI... And I still say the human faction should be the Gaians!

	02-04-2004 02:52									#12
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This may end up a tricky decision of votes continue as they are. Currently the most popular choice for teams/AI setup is supported by only 11 of the 19 voters. Does that mean that the other 8 would not play? There's hardly going to be very many in the team, given the usual activity drop-off.

	02-04-2004 03:25									#13
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The main drop off is going to come around the end of March... I would asume... those with school connections, such as myself, will loose access....Probably after this poll cut it down to the top two or three, and do one choice only, to see which the non-voters would like.. in case someone misread... there are only two voters without SMAX apparently though..

	02-04-2004 04:21									#14
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Voted 1 team versus SP factions, 3 teams versus 4 AI factions (if at least most are progenitor), core SMAX rules, slightly enhanced AI and other suggestion.

Other suggestion(s): 1 team versus 5 AI's and 1 SP who helps the AI's somewhat and does not go for a victory.
Perhaps change the CBA to another tech (orbital spaceflight?).

	02-04-2004 05:01									#15
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I plan on, after this, creating an official poll with the two top options.

	02-04-2004 08:37									#16
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I voted for smax, 3,4 or 5 teams versus modified AI factions (Darsnan has some neat ideas for setting up a challenge and I'd like to play in a team this time round - but not much interested in a single team faction versus 6 pushover AI's though)

	02-04-2004 09:21									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I plan on, after this, creating an official poll with the two top options.

Ah yes, probably the best way to get around it. That way people will realise that they have only a few choices then, and they have to live with one or not participate.

	02-04-2004 12:08									#18
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quote: This may end up a tricky decision of votes continue as they are. Currently the most popular choice for teams/AI setup is supported by only 11 of the 19 voters. Does that mean that the other 8 would not play? There's hardly going to be very many in the team, given the usual activity drop-off.

Its currently 15 from 26, which would give 5 per team... about the current level of activity.

I would assume 3 teams vs the AI would go a LOT faster than our current 5 teams vs the AI, and I'm thinking 1 team vs 6 SP will go very very slowly.

-Jam

	02-04-2004 12:53									#19
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Voted.

	02-04-2004 19:41									#20
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Vote:

1 human team vs SP factions
3 human teams vs AI factions
3 human teams vs SP factions
4 human teams vs AI factions
4 human teams vs SP factions
Core SMAX rules
Modified AI to be slightly better
Other ideas:
1. Edit alphax.txt to add sonar buoy, even if the defense bonus isn't added it's a nice sea addition to stave off surprise attacks.
2. Toggle "human factions can communicate from beginning" to '0' so it's easier to keep track of what comm freqs each faction has gained and which ones they haven't.
3. Googlie's against the alien threat idea with the 'barbarian' aliens included.

	02-04-2004 20:11									#21
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Sorry for my ignorance, but could somebody explain what sonar buoy is to me? Appreicated.

	02-04-2004 20:28									#22
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Sonar Buoy = Sensor Array in Water, an effect eaisly produced with Alpha Editing.

Also Jamski's asertion that 1 Human Faction vs 6 SP factions would be slow would only be true if the set up was like the current game inwhich each team has 48 hours to play from the point it recives its turn.

But as I had pointed out in my proposed "Prime Minister" system we would designate a single person to play the 6 Single Player turns from orders that each of thouse players submit. The Prime Minister would have 2-3 days to perform the moves and send the turn back to the Democracy Faction which would then have 2-3 days to send the turn back to him. A game speed likly FASTER then a 3 team aproatch, though slower then a 1 team vs AI's ofcorse.

Thus their is no reason to reject the 1 team vs 6 SP idea based on time constraints.

	02-04-2004 20:47									#23
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Thanks! Now could you also explain a little about this statement: "even if the defense bonus isn't added it's a nice sea addition to stave off surprise attacks"?

	02-04-2004 21:40									#24
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It increases visibility range.

quote: But as I had pointed out in my proposed "Prime Minister" system we would designate a single person to play the 6 Single Player turns from orders that each of those players submit. The Prime Minister would have 2-3 days to perform the moves and send the turn back to the Democracy Faction which would then have 2-3 days to send the turn back to him. A game speed likely FASTER then a 3 team approach, though slower then a 1 team vs AI's of course.

This is the 3rd option on the poll above. 1 DG faction vs 6 GM factions

-Jam

	02-04-2004 22:30									#25
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Hmmm looks like you have forgotten an option like this: ! DG faction vs 3 SP and 3 AI factions.

	03-04-2004 00:42									#26
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There's another Other then...

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quote: Hmmm looks like you have forgotten an option like this: ! DG faction vs 3 SP and 3 AI factions.

It wasn't suggested to me, and I didn't want to play it myself, so it didn't get polled. Noone has asked for it yet in the 28 voters so far, so I guess it wasn't so popular

-Jam

	03-04-2004 03:06									#28
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I'm sure somebody must have mentioned the notion of having both AI and SP factions. But by not including it you make it appear not popular. Like I have forgotten to vote for it.

	03-04-2004 03:36									#29
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Nope, this is the first time I heard of it. It sounds pretty much like the current system though with Miriam, Roze and Buster.

-Jam

	03-04-2004 03:43									#30
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If buster is an example of how SP factions will act then you don't have to worry for the speed of the game at all.