02-04-2004 13:00									#1
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I'm thinking of purchasing Victoria an empire under the sun. Can anyone who has it recommend it. Can anyone recommend any other games.

	02-04-2004 13:24									#2
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Civilization III

	02-04-2004 13:24									#3
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quote: Can anyone recommend any other games

Other games is exactly where this should be posted

you'd get a far better response and less idiots like me, unless I happen to be browsing through the OG forum at the time, in which case you'd get a response from an idiot like me.


I reccomend Civilization, its a classic!

	02-04-2004 13:26									#4
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Thanks I'll repost in other games so I won't recommendations like CIV3. Who does'nt own that?

	02-04-2004 13:27									#5
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Heretics and heathens still do not own Civilization III.

	02-04-2004 13:33									#6
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Heretics and heathens are the only who own Civilization III.

	02-04-2004 13:49									#7
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I bought Victoria: Empire under the Sun. It has a very steep learning curve, so it will require patience, but if you get it down it is a GREAT game. Perhaps the most realalistic history game yet, it's a really wonderful making of the Age of Imperialism, and with the fan community working on the VIP project it'll get better.

I only wish I had moe time to play it.

	02-04-2004 14:36									#8
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Now that its been moved I'll make a serious reccomendation!

Hearts of Iron is a good WWII strategy game by Paradox

Medieval: Total War is alright. It has many things that could be improved upon but the battle field is awsome, you get to command armies from back in the day in real time combat: archers, spearmen, knights, and various other unit types including a full range of Muslim and Eastern European stuff to choose from.

Space Empires III, the major plus, its free.
Its also a great game, definetly worth trying out. I dont recall the website url off the top of my head but google it and ye shall find. I'll PM something else about it.

besides Civ those are really the only other strategy games Ive really played. Not much, but Civ is one hell of a magician, it makes time disappear.

	02-04-2004 14:42									#9
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aren't there different types of strategy games.

You have global strategy games like Civ3, Civ2, SMAC etc. I suppose Europe Universalis would fall under that categy (I never played it).

You have war games like Korsun Pocket.

Then you have squad based tactical games. Silent Storm might fit that category (still don't have it). Of course X-com fits that category (it also has base management).

	02-04-2004 15:02									#10
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dammit Diss,

change your freakin' avatar. I hate Miriam.

	02-04-2004 15:28									#11
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Are there any turn based games in the Medievel: Total war style? Real time has never been my bag, click fest's are not cool

	02-04-2004 15:30									#12
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Civ3 is alright. Just don't buy Conquests, it's royally screwed. Or should I say firaxed?

	02-04-2004 15:31									#13
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Don't some TBS games have a pause function, so that you actually get time to think about the decisions you have to make? I don't know which games do this, but I have heard about a mixing of TBS and RTS that sounded rather good. Whether it's only on the novice level or not I'm not sure.

	02-04-2004 15:39									#14
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I was looking for recommendations for games that have come after CIV3 that are not one of the main games on this site(CIV,GALCIV,SMAC,MOO,CTP). ALl owned by me.
Is there anything new and exciting?

	02-04-2004 15:43									#15
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Don't some TBS games have a pause function, so that you actually get time to think about the decisions you have to make? I don't know which games do this, but I have heard about a mixing of TBS and RTS that sounded rather good. Whether it's only on the novice level or not I'm not sure.

Rise of Nations lets you do this, which works really well in my experience.

Same goes for Europa Universalis, which feels more civ-like.

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EU is quite good, I heartily recommend it. Play any nation from 1419 to 1820, and far more realistically than the Civ series ever could dream of being.

	02-04-2004 16:45									#17
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Some games not mentioned here that a worth a look if you like TBS in a fantasy setting are the Heroes (of Might and Magic) series, and the Warlords series. Both are up to 4 I think.

	02-04-2004 17:54									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Doc Some games not mentioned here that a worth a look if you like TBS in a fantasy setting are the Heroes (of Might and Magic) series, and the Warlords series. Both are up to 4 I think.

I'd add Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic to that list. Closest thing to MoM that I've played since... well, MoM.

	02-04-2004 19:21									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Rise of Nations lets you do this, which works really well in my experience. Same goes for Europa Universalis, which feels more civ-like.

and of course Sid Meiers Gettysburg, and the other games that use that engine (SM Antietam, and Waterloo and Austerlitz by Breakaway Games) are pausable RT games.

	02-04-2004 23:15									#20
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quote: Are there any turn based games in the Medievel: Total war style? Real time has never been my bag, click fest's are not cool

The main map where the game is really played is turn based. The battles are real time. (unless you allow the computer to auto calculate, in which case you never have to enter battle)

Its not a click fest, you can pause during battle and take your time to evaluate the situation and give new orders. Also you can speed up time or slow down time if need.

	02-04-2004 23:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Civ3 is alright. Just don't buy Conquests, it's royally screwed. Or should I say firaxed?

I love Conquests -- great game, IMO.

	03-04-2004 03:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Closest thing to MoM that I've played since... well, MoM.

In that case you have not played Dominions II. The best TBS since Alpha Centauri, you can find it here .

	03-04-2004 03:43									#23
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quote: Originally posted by quantum_mechani In that case you have not played Dominions II. The best TBS since Alpha Centauri, you can find it here .

True. Now that I have my brand-spankin' new cable modem, I can finally download the demo and give it a try.

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If you can find a copy, 'The Operational Art of War' is widely considered to be one of the best wargames of all time.

	03-04-2004 17:42									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus I'm thinking of purchasing Victoria an empire under the sun. Can anyone who has it recommend it. Can anyone recommend any other games.

Victoria is great. However, it can have a steep learning curve (especially if you aren't familiary with Paradox games), and it's still being 'ironed out' out a bit. If you haven't already, I'd recomend playing Europa Universalis 2 or Hearts of Iron first.

	04-04-2004 03:01									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I love Conquests -- great game, IMO.

It has the potential to become a great game, after the beta is done.

At the moment, we're alpha testing, except that we paid for it.

	04-04-2004 03:27									#27
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quote: Originally posted by quantum_mechani In that case you have not played Dominions II. The best TBS since Alpha Centauri, you can find it here .

nice tip reminds me of heroes of might and magic

suppose i need to find a strategy guide though, managed to conquer around 30 provinces in under an hour and thought i was really kicking arse when i found out the commands for blood hunt and research ( yeah i know, left it abit late) but theres currently 3 easy AI's hitting me on all fronts beat 2 back but my moloch who had tons of experience has just taken a hell of alot of battle wounds, that will teach me to tell him to go mano et mano with the largest enemy monsters.


Any advice for good groups/battle strategies using just the demo races ?

	04-04-2004 04:44									#28
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Victoria is my least favourite full scale Paradox game (but that still means its better than Civ III.) I'm hoping Crusader Kings will be more my style. Its out soon and ordering direct from Paradox means they actually get the money for making the games instead of the publishers that notably fail to advertise them

	04-04-2004 11:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Lazerus Any advice for good groups/battle strategies using just the demo races ?

Well, Pythium usually does well with emerald guards on the front flanked be javelin throwers set to 'fire closest'.

Jotunhiem is fairly straitforward. I like to use the 30 gold, 32 resouce axe wielding giants backed by whatever magical support I can put together (perferably cold based; that way stray shots won't harm your cold resistant giants).

I havn't played much Machaka, what other races are available in the demo?

	04-04-2004 21:15									#30
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abysia, ulm, c'tis, arcoscephale, pythium, jotunheim and machaka.

The armour the abysians get is great for just having a few humanbreds tie up the enemy until your flails get close and then just watching 10 stomp through 30 independants.

gah £45 to buy it in the shops ... think ill wait a year or see if i can get it 2nd hand or copied. Stupid jacked up prices

Last edited by Lazerus on 04-04-2004 at 21:21