03-04-2004 20:36									#1
	Any plans to update to vB3? Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Well? (just curious)

	03-04-2004 20:39									#2
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no, not for awhile at least.

	03-04-2004 20:41									#3
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Do it, and then watch all the Poly Plus subscribers lose their subscription but miraculously not their credit card bills.

	03-04-2004 22:15									#4
	Re: Any plans to update to vB3? Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well? (just curious)

Although the official version of Apolyton's copy of vBulletin is 2.0.3, it is anything but a manila installation of it. Upgrades of this nature often cause custom installed features to and linked to/from to either function improperly or stop functioning altogether. This has been learned from negative experiences in the past.

Accordingly, an incredible amount of planning and overhead has to go into planning such "official" upgrades. As such they are few and far between. In lieu of this, we constantly entertain suggestions for and seek out modifications to our present version of vB to improve its operation and appearance be it on the basis of what is included in later releases or not.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	04-04-2004 02:49									#5
	Re: Re: Any plans to update to vB3? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by DanQ stuff --------- Dan; Apolyton CS

Translation: no.

	04-04-2004 04:32									#6
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A 'Manilla' installation of it? Wouldn't that only occur in the Phillippines? I thought the term was vanilla

	04-04-2004 04:42									#7
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It's a warez version

	04-04-2004 05:04									#8
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Really? And we're not even allowed to mention u*d*r*o*s. How ironic.

	04-04-2004 05:23									#9
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The manila plant is a banana-like plant, so it makes sense that Poly is uses manila and not vanilla.

	04-04-2004 05:40									#10
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He means that the CDs came in a large brown envelope

-Jam

	04-04-2004 16:41									#11
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Good to hear that ACS isn't planning any such upgrade, as I'm at least pretty sure it would 1. take ages for Markos and Gramphos to have all stuff needed by ACS scripted, tested and ported, 2. result in loss of data or some other functionality (especially porting the attachments would be a pain in the behind), 3. not give anything new, which would be vital for the services of ACS. In conclusion, as Dan already pointed out, the vB setup we see here, is very, very tailored to the needs of this site. An upgrade couldn't anyway be done here for ages, as it would all have to be done securely on a testbed, while the site would resume normal operations. Of course it could be done on the run, but it would end up in a total disaster. Either way, I'm sure we won't be seeing vB3 here for a long, long time. And I'm pretty sure the current system works just fine.

	04-04-2004 23:45									#12
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What would be the advantages of upgrading to vB3?

	05-04-2004 00:28									#13
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none, it would probably look uglier.

I admit, I am getting used to the last upgrade. It took a while to deal with all that extra clutter.

	05-04-2004 04:54									#14
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Diss, there are plenty of advantages. Just a bunch of fun new hacks... like when you hover over the thread title, the first 3 or so lines come up in a cursor box, so you can see whether you want to click on it or not. A more indepth Search function. In polls you can click on an option (after you've voted) to see who voted for what.

And it looks better. I've been agitating for the upgrade.

	05-04-2004 05:34									#15
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But then most of the custom hacks would no longer work.

	05-04-2004 06:04									#16
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Wouldn't many of the hacks customisations be able to be emulated with the new board, many being naturally incorporated features anyway.

It would take time and effort to implement all changes tough - probably just in time for vB4 though.

It doesn't bother me either way at the moment.

	05-04-2004 06:42									#17
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I actually like vB3. Is it worth it? Well, I can't say for sure from an Admin point of view, since like DanQ said, there are a lot of customized stuffed Markos created in this forum that would give a lot of a headache to implement.
From a user point of view I have to really appeal for a change, enough with the vB2 outlook, it's boring already!

	05-04-2004 13:30									#18
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I'd rather stick with this and not have any downtime though.

	05-04-2004 13:57									#19
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While some features of VB3 are "nifty", so are many of the hacks already installed that would be lost or we would be without for a while, but at least this way we get to use those features, as Spikie said, without any downtime.

	05-04-2004 20:05									#20
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quote: Just a bunch of fun new hacks...

They're not hacks (read: user made code modifications for the vBulletin forum script software). They're actual features, which are a part of the product by default.

quote: like when you hover over the thread title, the first 3 or so lines come up in a cursor box, so you can see whether you want to click on it or not.

One of the most useless features ever. Especially when it brings up very little of the actual first post and doesn't really that much say, if the thread is worthy, because there might be some good follow ups.

quote: A more indepth Search function.

Actually it's as good as the one we can use here. Okay, we don't have Similar Threads, but that can always be intercorporated into vB2 as well. But not worth it.

quote: In polls you can click on an option (after you've voted) to see who voted for what.

Not a default feature in all polls. Only possible, if the starter of the poll has ticked the option for showing who voted and for which alternative. Also, I'm sure this can easily be done here too, if wanted. Just some little scripting needed.

Your case for an upgrade is based only on a few small features. I would more like point out the better attachment system, IM support implementation, profile pictures, 3 different thread display modes, language and phrase system, built-in support for local DST, etc. However I think Poly is doing fine with the current vB 2.0.3 derivated setup. It would be pointless to waste all the time for an upgrade. Especially when it would mean that things would have to be worked out from scratched.

I think it's much better to concentrate on the current system, make it more stable and to keep developing it. IMO Zealot and Imran have a weak case for having an upgrade. However I do understand that vB3 might have features they like, but as said (see my previous post), it would be a nightmare.

No, thanks. The current way is fine by me. And I presume most agree with me.

	05-04-2004 23:50									#21
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and I don't want to take a chance with anything that might wipe out my post count

	06-04-2004 00:38									#22
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I'm all for progress and so if there were a way to upgrade somewhat painlessly I'd be all for it.

Actually, this probably stems from my OCD which makes me obsess about having everything on my computer updated and organized well.

	06-04-2004 02:14									#23
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What's wrong with our current system? We just finished fixing all the bugs and adding all the nice features. To imagine going through a bunch of chaostic changes and problems again. You guys just couldn't sit still for a minute can you.

CGN upgraded to vb3 I think. And I still can't get used to it. It's just not the same any more.

	06-04-2004 02:49									#24
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CGN has been updated a bit since teh original upgrade. If you go to your control panel and set style to "old CGN default" its practically teh same layout as vb2.xx, but with a slightly smoother feel.

	06-04-2004 02:56									#25
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Ahh thank you BC.

	08-04-2004 00:04									#26
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quote: quote: like when you hover over the thread title, the first 3 or so lines come up in a cursor box, so you can see whether you want to click on it or not.

quote: One of the most useless features ever. Especially when it brings up very little of the actual first post and doesn't really that much say, if the thread is worthy, because there might be some good follow ups.

Saw it yesterday, bloody annoying IMO.

	09-04-2004 14:43									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Good to hear that ACS isn't planning any such upgrade, as I'm at least pretty sure it would 1. take ages for Markos and Gramphos to have all stuff needed by ACS scripted, tested and ported, 2. result in loss of data or some other functionality (especially porting the attachments would be a pain in the behind), 3. not give anything new, which would be vital for the services of ACS. In conclusion, as Dan already pointed out, the vB setup we see here, is very, very tailored to the needs of this site. An upgrade couldn't anyway be done here for ages, as it would all have to be done securely on a testbed, while the site would resume normal operations. Of course it could be done on the run, but it would end up in a total disaster. Either way, I'm sure we won't be seeing vB3 here for a long, long time. And I'm pretty sure the current system works just fine.

This swayed me. I want an upgrade!

	09-04-2004 17:29									#28
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I never realised that a computer gaming site could consist of such a bunch of Luddites

	09-04-2004 17:35									#29
	Put an end to popups!

A bunch of strategists who want benefits for their (site-owners) efforts rather than just blindly jumping to whatever is newer? Gee, who'd have though?

	10-04-2004 01:44									#30
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

no.

we've got plenty of stuff in our coding to-do list, more important than a layout update or profile pictures