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johndmuller is offline johndmuller
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Let me preface this with the disclaimer that I ordinarily agree with the notion that the factions are pretty well balanced in themselves and shouldn't be messed with much if at all. That said, with so many good players involved, people will hesitate to play factions that are perceived to be intrinsically weaker, whether or not it is really a matter of compatible play styles instead of intrinsic weakness. So that is how I would rationalize messing a little with some of the factions.

Something as simple as a slug of extra cash would go a long way in helping the Spartans and Cult with their industry 'problem', although granting a sufficient sum might be difficult for us to swallow. An annual stipend would be nice, but I don't think the game provides for a way to do that. The Cult is already a cash cow of sorts with early fungal forrays, so adding a free MW or two (remember that they won't be able to capture their own) to the Spartan's starting position (and a nearby decent fungus patch), could help them out some. Maybe a free IoD in addition to the MW would do it for the Cult although one fears to be too generous,

I don't know what it would take for Miriam, but a free probeship would definitely make her earlier turns more interesting and give her a chance to stay in the tech race. Does high morale on a probe help assure survival? If so, that would be indicated too, as it wouldn't do for the supposed equalizer to go away with the first mission - maybe a second one if the survivability is low.

The Pirates could use a little help too; a couple of seaformers might be enough to get off to a better start, although the dreaded industry SE boost might be called for.

It could be that momentum factions are disadvantaged by the relatively nicely developed starting positions that we seem to favor, said pleasant environment giving the supposed victims the chance to get on their feet more quickly than would be the case in a more 'Spartan' environment.

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Does high morale on a probe help assure survival?


Yes, it increases chances of both success and survival.

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  Old Post 12-04-2004 17:24
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Maybe it is time to suss out which factions people might like play. Perhaps everyone post a choice of three so that the eventual starting teams are reasonably balanced in terms of numbers playing.

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I think Gaians and Spartans were mentioned...

-Jam

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  Old Post 12-04-2004 20:12
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No one else but me seemed interested in the Spartans though. So scrap those already I presume.

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I was interested, depending who joined. I'd rather take Gaians though, with the assumption we RP the faction and go get the evil freemarketeers

-Jam

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I am the first one who lobbied for Gaians - welcome Jamski - that makes us three of four then.

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Although we should make a vote first...

-Jam

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How would we go about to form teams? Does somebody announce that he'll be the team leader then people joins him, or do we form the teams and then choose the leader?

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I suppose it's best to let teams choose their leader (if needs be).
After all, it's up to a team whom by they want to be leaded (again, if that is needed)

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I nominate myself as first leader of Gaians and their founder. Ofcourse, if Gaians are voted out as faction . Support me!

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Tell us more how you love the planet.

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He loves it like this:

Get the picture?

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Get it. Very much.

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I was going to be the leader of the Gaians

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* GeoModder already enjoys the oncoming clash between Jamski and Obstructor.

Perhaps an arbitory council must be called?

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First - see if the Gaians are selected.
Second - see who joins the Gaians.
Third - Elect a leader.

-Jam

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Gaians are elected for sure, they're way on top ATM.

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Then we proceed to step 2. When we're sure they will be one of the 3/4 teams, we make a sign-up thread.

-Jam

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Gaians are elected for sure, they're way on top ATM.


Guess whose campaign is responsible for that?

HongHu: You will soon see Gaian thread on ACDG (in about four hours)I am naturally more peace loving except Do not walk on fungus or I will scorch you with my airforce! - Jamski can be the leader of Gaians - we will have monthly elections.

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I was going to be the leader of the Gaians

-Jam


I was first and I have already more than you for Gaians! But ofcourse we will enjoy election races between Jamski and someone else

Hercules is offline Hercules
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There is a slight difference between being the one who authorises players into a faction and the faction leader. The one who authorises players doesn't change but a faction leader can change via elections or whatever.

I was a founder of the Save The Enviroment Party (STEP) in the first ACDG but I haven't made up my mind yet for this new team game.

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I want to be moderator! Jamski or whomever can run on elections .
Leadership can be boring.

And Hercules, come to Gaians. We shall soon have a thread on ACDG (I will start work on it immediately).

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Got spare money?

Talking about running ahead...

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I want to be "the one who authorises players into a faction". Sounds like a power I can exploit fun!

Jamski is offline Jamski
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Perhaps I'll join the Spartans... I havn't decided yet...

-Jam

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Do not walk on fungus or I will scorch you with my airforce!


He is not a true Gaian!!! Expel him!!! The Gaians dances among the fungus. Fungus is their friends! He is the enemy of the Gaians!!!

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He is not a true Gaian!!! Expel him!!! The Gaians dances among the fungus. Fungus is their friends! He is the enemy of the Gaians!!!


Gaians dance through trees. Planet Cult dances through fungus. And I can`t be expelled from team that is just in process of being assembled (BTW you are welcome to Gaians - they would love to have princess of love among them).

Geo: It is called Doctrine:Initiative. This DG will be over by the end of this month so why not plan ahead to start new ACDG immediately after old one is over? (you are welcome to Gaians )

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This DG will be over by the end of this month so why not plan ahead to start new ACDG immediately after old one is over? (you are welcome to Gaians )


That's rather pessimistic no? Agreed we can't offer much military resistance, but the turnplay rate is one MY every few days, so it'll probably still take a little bit longer I assume.

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Geo: It is called Doctrine:Initiative. This DG will be over by the end of this month so why not plan ahead to start new ACDG immediately after old one is over? (you are welcome to Gaians )


Didn't you realise already? Check my chess game with Pandemoniak, I'm an Adaptive Doctrine guy!
And about the running ahead, I merely meant it as that yesterday Gaians were not so ahead and still everything was possible. Not about already setting up the new DG teams.

 
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