05-04-2004 07:45									#1
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Are there plans to do a AC 2?

	05-04-2004 08:01									#2
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Not that I know of. But I'm sure Sid has considered it before. I hope they allow a better online gaming experience. And some sort of count system to quantify factions to allow ppl to play custom factiosn online more liberaly.

	05-04-2004 08:02									#3
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you *must* be kidding.
if it were, it'd be the talk of the board, no?

	06-04-2004 03:38									#4
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Centauri 2 is probably out of the question. Since Civ III and conquests have done so well, Firaxis just stopped making the game, because simply put, they weren't going to make any more money. Everyone that wanted Centauri had it, and anyone who didn't could buy it cheaper of Ebay or get it copied from a friend. Now, a civ 4, that's probably more of a possibility. But, hey, SMAC2 would be great, as long as the game wasn't made a lot better, but not changed too much (kind of picky, I guess). If anyone finds any news on any more Centauri stuff, tell me.

	06-04-2004 03:54									#5
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	06-04-2004 15:54									#6
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So he is going to remake Pirates, a game that will compeate with numerous other Pirate games but not Alpha Cent? I wounder why? Personally I loved Pirates when I played it back on the Apple IIc, but now there are so many good Pirate themed games I just don't think I would be as impressed. And frankly the last Civ game I bought was Call to Power. I am burnt out on Civ. But I guess I am in the minority.

	06-04-2004 16:29									#7
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The point is that Sid didn't make Alpha Centauri. Brian Reynolds did, and he now has his own company, so there's not the interest from Firaxis, despite the fact it would sell like mad.

-Jam

	06-04-2004 17:51									#8
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Nope they'ld rather trash the Civ brand at present.

	06-04-2004 18:31									#9
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I hope BR makes a SMAC-like game. I presume the rights for the SMAC name are owned by Firaxis still.

	06-04-2004 22:14									#10
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Well, it could always be renamed... How about BRTC?

Brian Reynolds Tau Ceti.

The story of how the 'flowering' happened there

	06-04-2004 23:11									#11
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Release the source code so that we can make a sequel ourselves !

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	07-04-2004 02:09									#12
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I'm not sure if it would sell that well. I think they may have been a little disappointed with SMAC sales. They just don't sell like civ games.

But I think they could put out a pretty good game that even the average gamer might like if they tried. It just takes a vision. But with Brian Reynolds gone, someone else must have that vision, and then convince management to go ahead with the product.

	07-04-2004 03:47									#13
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should SMAC2 be a sequel or a remake?

	07-04-2004 03:51									#14
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A sequel seems impossible. After all you most likely transcended at the end. Also take into account such techs like Temporal Mechanics that defy our classical logic. It would be a very weird game indeed.
A remake seems best in other words!

	07-04-2004 04:04									#15
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SMAC still is one of the best selling games. I remember seeing some statistics. Overall though people are more tired with abstract thinking. That is why Civilization sells so much better than SMAC. People usually know and have good understanding what musketeer is, but what is Impact Fusion Rover....?

	07-04-2004 05:11									#16
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that's why I was thinking of a specific vision.

Obviously a sequal is out of the question.

But a remake. Say a different take of what could have happened.

And maybe keep the techs less science fiction-ey. Of course you have to have some degree of science fiction being as it is in the future. And you have to have an upward progression or the tech tree would be boring.

I wouldn't want to see the same mindworm/Planet thing either. It was interesting, but not one of my favourite parts of SMAC.

	07-04-2004 05:34									#17
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"SMAC II, The Sequel" would be a Master of Orion like space strategy game with "Manifold Transcendi", "Usurpers", "Caretakers", and "Earthlings" among its playable inhabitants.

As for the techs, the creation of a global neural network is an incredible achievement, but there still is no FTL drive, so by MoO standards even the Transcendi have a long way to go, plenty of distance in which to fit a game.

That brings me a a rant: one thing that bugs me about sequels is when everyone "forgets" how to do the stuff they did last game.

Like Terror from the Deep all the cool stuff you had for land-fighting from UFO Defense disappears like it never existed, and you magically revert to the tech level of Shaka Zulu, hurling spears at aliens on land as if you had no notion even of gunpowder -- let alone all the stuff you invented in UFO Defense. Underwater I can see why you'd use a harpoon, but on land!? My kingdom for a f**king bronze cannon.

Underwater, meanwhile, more stupidity: Jaques f**king Cousteau had a friggin' BCD, but you don't seem to know about them in the beginning of TfTD. All you can do is clomp around on the ground. Maybe instead of subs we should be using diving bells while we're at it so as not to shatter the 19th century ambiance?

TFtD was, of course, a PoS retread of UFO D, with a few of the names changed to make it seem "new", and to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen, game designers should respect their timeline and tech tree in their sequels.

In SMAC II the Transcendi should start the game with advantages and disadvanteges based on how they ended SMAC I, probably with Deidre's personality and political agenda, given the extreme nature of their biology.

The game should be changed, different, new, but keeping the attitude of its predecessor, the subtly subversive but charming wit, the clever ridicule of the closed mind and the demagogue, the imagined possibilities that answer the question, "What will the future be like?"

Or we could all just put in our preorders for the inevitable Civ 5. History does indeed seem doomed to repeat itself.

	07-04-2004 07:42									#18
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I play Civ Conquests just as much as SMAC, and I have crossfire, so I don't really need any SMAC 2, although it would be interesting.

	07-04-2004 13:10									#19
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It pains me to think of all the mind-numbing, pathetic sequels that get released everyday but the ones you really wanna see like alpha smac 2 never get created. Personally I think there is room for a smac 2 financially; I'm pretty sure the civ player base has grown dramatically with plenty of credit due to great sites like apolyton and civfanatics. I just feel that smac was a title not many people knew about nor everyplayed. If smac 2 was promoted well as a sequel of sorts to civ and people realised this I think it would sell. Same as master of Orion series I never knew that existed untill recently and I've never played any of them yet.

Personally I think there is no need to make a sequel of sorts to smac Just mature and refine the formula as civ3 did too civ 2. Not groundbreaking stuff but balanced and stable. SMAC is wonderfully original but a bit strange in its mechanics ie everything costing a fortune at the start almost nothing later on.