07-04-2004 01:22									#1
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I am a bit embarrased , but can anyone explain me the art of destroying enemy units with selfdistruct?
Whenever I selfdestruct chosen unit, it does not damage enemy units on nearby squares.
So how do you exactly then damage units on nearby squares?

	07-04-2004 01:38									#2
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IIRC there's a difference between using the key shortcut and menu command. One works and other doesn't in terms of blowing up things. Have you tried both?

	07-04-2004 01:41									#3
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Obviously not. I only use key commands. Is that the matter?

	07-04-2004 01:45									#4
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First off you need to ensure you have a uit with minimally a weapon strength of 2 in order to cause any damage.

Secondly self destructed units will not harm units inside a base.

Thirdly, sometimes the graphics don't reset and the unit appears to still be there. If you run a unit by it the affected unit will be damaged or destroyed (dpending on the amount doled out to it).

4thly no transport or probe teams as they have no weapon strength.

Finally what DataAeolus said.

	07-04-2004 01:48									#5
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So blowing up garrison outside base will have no effect then? I must try difference between key and menu commands.

	07-04-2004 02:03									#6
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never tried that.

Is it just weapon strenght or does reactor size also matter? Say like having a fusion over a fission reactor for instance.

	07-04-2004 02:05									#7
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reactor size should matter I think, the higher reactor rating, the more hitpoints. But if only the weapon strength is taken into account for damage, then not.

	07-04-2004 02:13									#8
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IIRC the hitpoints of damage inflicted equals

weapon /2 multiplied by reactor strength

I believe the result is rounded down as destructing a scout inflicts no damage but I have not tested this

Of course any unit with a weapon of 20 will completely destroy any unit of equal or lesser reactor strength and a shard chopper with fusion decimates any fission unit in the game

	07-04-2004 02:37									#9
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Actually, then you could selfdestruct a Planet Buster near a stack of quantum units and have them more or less eradicated?

	07-04-2004 02:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Actually, then you could selfdestruct a Planet Buster near a stack of quantum units and have them more or less eradicated?

INteresting-- I have never tried to self-destruct a Planet Buster-- If it works it might get around ODP and flechetter defenses but of course, nothing inside a base would be harmed.

Its a cute idea but in the later game, I don't believe you see very many big stacks of ground units anyway

	07-04-2004 02:51									#11
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I remember reading the idea of self-destruct PB before. The idea is that PB must hit a unit to detonate, so a strategy against PBs is to empty the base and clear the area near the base. But then there's suggestion that one can self-destruct PB. But I also heard that this does not work. I have never tried it myself.

	07-04-2004 03:02									#12
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But if missiles can selfdestruct, why shouldn't PB's be able to do the same?

It does not detonate as a buster then, but only 'damaging' the units in open tiles around. Thus creating a lot of havoc with it's 99 attack weapon, without causing an atrocity.

	07-04-2004 13:41									#13
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder But if missiles can selfdestruct, why shouldn't PB's be able to do the same? It does not detonate as a buster then, but only 'damaging' the units in open tiles around. Thus creating a lot of havoc with it's 99 attack weapon, without causing an atrocity.

So would a self-destructing Singularity Planetbuster do 198 hitpoints of damage to adjacent units? Wow.

	07-04-2004 17:10									#14
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That's the idea, an my hope

That way it has two purposes, from which one wouldn't be an atrocity.

	07-04-2004 17:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder That's the idea, an my hope That way it has two purposes, from which one wouldn't be an atrocity.

Does it damage units in bases? If not then it could be a horrible, if costly, "point-defence" for dealing with massed attackers with air-cover.

	07-04-2004 17:23									#16
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As has been said previously in this thread: no, it doesn't hurt units in bases.

	07-04-2004 17:25									#17
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus As has been said previously in this thread: no, it doesn't hurt units in bases.

Neat. Final Defensive Fire just got nastier.

	08-04-2004 06:45									#18
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I never knew what the point of self-destruct was. Dang, I wish the designers left that crap about stimulants and land mines and plastiques, that would have been cool. So no my recon rovers might actually pay off 300 years later.