07-04-2004 03:00									#1
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I haven't noticed any maps in Michael Ely's first book. Are faction locations known? Is the map of the series the same as in the game?

	07-04-2004 09:36									#2
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I have just read 'Centauri Dawn' and the paperback version I read does not have any maps. I suppose you could infer terrain and the like from brief descriptions given? I recall that in the epilogue it mentions that Yang is "building a new society across the sea" or something to that effect.

	07-04-2004 20:27									#3
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Guys, I'm pretty sure the books use the official SMAC map, with all the landmarks, terrains, mountains, etc.

I haven't read the book myself, so I have no idea where factions may be located. But I'm sure the SMAC official map is used. Hope that helps.

	07-04-2004 20:49									#4
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it was officiall mentioned somewhere that the official map wasn't being used, and there wasn't really a map for the books, other than a rough draft quick drawing of where the factions are in comparison to each other.

all seven factions started in the same continent, with the Hive secretly moving off to another continent as they felt the continent they started in was to crowded.

-mellian

	07-04-2004 21:34									#5
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Guess I was wrong, then.

Thanks for letting me know, Mellian.

By the way, could I get these SMAC books at any bookstore, or do I have to order them specially?

	08-04-2004 04:43									#6
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Third trilogy book should be in bookstores still. For first two books go to ebay, they are quite cheap over there.
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If Michael Ely would use a map when writing a story that would be great. One of the important things, at least for me when reading such books, is to have a map. Imagine Lord of the Rings without a map. Dune has a map too, though there is desert everywhere...

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	08-04-2004 06:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 If Michael Ely would use a map when writing a story that would be great. One of the important things, at least for me when reading such books, is to have a map. Imagine Lord of the Rings without a map. Dune has a map too, though there is desert everywhere...

The Dune map is great :0
Even if it is mostly desert with some rocks in it.

	08-04-2004 11:56									#8
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Check this link of a map someone made themselves for the third book. It is based on the "official" Alpha Centauri map.

http://www.geocities.com/amd_4ever/Files/ACMap.bmp

But here's the major prize: an outline map for Dragon Sun. Unfortunately, it's not up to the artistic quality of The Cheese Stands Alone, but then, what is?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...3430#post453430

	08-04-2004 12:47									#9
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Your first link doesn't work man.

	08-04-2004 12:49									#10
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It's geocities webpage. They cancel people's pages with speeds faster than light

	08-04-2004 13:03									#11
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Funny, it was working before.

Try cutting out the "ACMap.bmp" from the end of the address. When I do that, I get one of those "index of . . ." pages. Then I click on the link that says "ACMap.bmp" to see the map.

	09-04-2004 20:56									#12
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Geocities sux.

That, or people don't know how to make websites properly.

	09-04-2004 22:53									#13
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I do not remember from where is this, except that it is supposed to show map situation in third book:
Is that what is found on that link?

Attachment: acmap.bmp
This has been downloaded 12 time(s).

	10-04-2004 04:26									#14
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That's the same thing that's (supposed to be) on the other end of that link.

	10-04-2004 14:35									#15
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Well, if that link doesn`t work...

	11-04-2004 03:19									#16
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Just delete the ACmap.bmp from the end of the address... It worked for me!

	11-04-2004 16:06									#17
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I can't seem to find that map.

Is that map different from the original SMAC-X map? If so, what are the main differences?

Also, I'm curious why Michael Ely wouldn't use the official map for all 3 books? It would make it a lot easier to follow the story and contienets, and where everything is located.

	11-04-2004 16:39									#18
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Look at my link Sovereign . It looks like map of planet though.

	11-04-2004 16:54									#19
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Just downloaded it.

I noticed several interesting stuff.

What are these radiation symbols and concentric circles for?

I noticed the freshwater contient is empty except a few splotches of color. That looks odd, since how did they set colonies all the way over there? Sail by Hive areas?

	11-04-2004 16:59									#20
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I think that somebody played with singularity busters, probably Miriam, but I haven`t read the book .

	12-04-2004 00:19									#21
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IIRC, Busters lower the terrain A LOT, therefore we'd see small lakes, therefore small blue spots in the middle of these colored regions.

In addition, these red dots on the map must be capitals / first base, right?

	12-04-2004 01:11									#22
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It is a book. Why did he place all factions on the same continent though? Looks like sloppy work for me.

	12-04-2004 02:58									#23
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I think it would make more friction, with less land to go around. Higher states of tension, coupled with Man's tendency to war for more land and resources.

But again, I think that at least one or two factions should have been placed in the Freshwater sea Continent. If I played a SMAC game like that, and the whole contient was devoid...

MASS COLONIZATION! MASS POWER BASE!

Then use all the power I gain along with 100's of jets, gravships, etc. to smash my "home contient" and conquer EVERYTHING!

	12-04-2004 03:44									#24
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In the books, planet busters are launched. I'm not sure, but I think they are Sin Busters.

The map overall looks good to me. But when you use a PB, they don't always create lakes. Depending on the heigh of the target tile, that might become a lake.

It's great when you use your nuclear sub-transport launch Sin Busters offshore into the enemy's territory. 5 usually destroys the entire land-based cities.

	12-04-2004 06:13									#25
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Ahh... me thinks I need to get the books to understand the whole thing.

	12-04-2004 14:46									#26
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quote: It is a book. Why did he place all factions on the same continent though? Looks like sloppy work for me.

Well, if you think about it, why would the factions all be conveniently spread around the planet? The pods came from the same colony ship, so it would make a certain amount of sense if they landed in the same general area.

Regarding PBs - am I the only one who wonders why using Sin. busters doesn't cause a global extinction event? The amount of energy required to cause hundreds of kilometres of land to simpl vanish has got to be enough to at least cause a global environmental catastrophe, not merely lower the clean mineral limit by 5.

	12-04-2004 16:03									#27
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Why would they go in the same direction? In the opening movie pods spread in all directions (and still pretty far away from planet), so I guess they land on different continents. But all factions landing on same continent

	12-04-2004 16:05									#28
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Well, it would have to depend on how far away the Unity was from Planet when the pods separated - was this ever specified?

EDIT: In Ely's books, that is.

	12-04-2004 16:11									#29
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It is? In intro movie pods are enough far away to spread around before landing on planet.

	12-04-2004 21:27									#30
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Clean Mineral reduced by 5?

Pardon me, but I don't remember what it means or entails. Does it mean all your mineral output is reduced by 5?


Obstructor, I remember the intro movie showing the pods detach from the ship and fly towards the planet.

But I don't remember if they flew to the planet bunched together or in completely random directions.

I really should start up SMAC-X to refresh my memory on a lot of stuff.