09-04-2004 07:02									#1
	Flak Cannon & Mobile Sam Question Tired of ads?

When flak cannons and moblie sams are placed on a city do they have to be fortified to defend against bombardment from bombers and fighters.

Or will the defend no matter if they are fortified or not.

When travelling with a group/army, same question will they defend no matter what the situation?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

	09-04-2004 09:08									#2
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No, they do not have to be fortified. Same with naval units with Anti-air values.

	09-04-2004 15:36									#3
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An odd thing with the things are that while my city governors want to build them all the time, the AI civ only very rarely build them.

	10-04-2004 06:02									#4
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Argh!!! In the Civ fanatics forums they are saying they must be fortified.

Any way of testing this rather simply?

	10-04-2004 06:40									#5
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not really tested it directly, but i did notice i've never saw any action when they were not fortified!

But it does kinda make sense only to let them shoot when they are fortified - stuff like this takes time to 'set up'

	10-04-2004 08:03									#6
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I understand your "Argh!!!", Xanex.
NO, I do not have "solid" proof that fortified is not required.

	10-04-2004 08:17									#7
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I believe I've seen them work when unfortified... and in the case of ships, I'm 90% certain I've seen it (in the Pacific WWII scenario IIRC). It shouldn't matter much though - the flaks and sams should be fortified anyways.

	10-04-2004 09:13									#8
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I just verified it with a debug setup. Flak, and assuming by extension also Mobile SAM, does not have to be fortified to fire on aircraft. I sent F-15's against unfortified Flak batteries by themselves on flat ground, and the fourth bombing run got fired upon.

	10-04-2004 15:56									#9
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, Solomwi!

Now, if the AI only would build some.

	10-04-2004 22:20									#10
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No kidding. In my last (intercontinental) war with China, at the beginning they had 5 or 6 Flak batteries. I quickly took all the territory I wanted, which left them still with a good bit of homeland I had no interest in and also a good bit of territory on the other "horn" of the continent, which I decided I wanted Persia to have to themselves. So I undertook a massive bomberdment campaign, with little to no ground troop involvement, except a few MA armies running around the Persian Horn capturing workers and knocking off the occasional unit. I expected, after a few turns of 40+ bombing runs, the AI to pop out a few more AA defenders, but it never did happen, and those it had were useless against my Stealth Bombers and Bombers.

	11-04-2004 00:08									#11
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Thanks for all your help fellas, much appreciated.

Special thanks to Solomwi for running the debug....

Great forums here, lots of good info.

Thanks again.