10-04-2004 08:13									#1
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Does gravtanks make rovers obsolete?

	10-04-2004 09:41									#2
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Is a gravtank a hovertank or a graveship? Just wondering. If it's a hovertank, yes and no. They are faster, and therefore better than speeders, but they are also very costly. If a gravship, again, yes and no, because gravships are more expensive, but still pretty cheap and go much farther, but unfortunately they get a 50% penalty on ground attacks, where hovertanks get plus 25% in the field.

	10-04-2004 11:21									#3
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gravships have a 50% penalty to ground attacks? are you sure about that one? In any event, they're fun, but come in far too late to be useful, as do hovertanks. It's rare for me to use either one.

	10-04-2004 11:40									#4
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Grav ships only get the penalty if they are interceptors iirc.

	10-04-2004 14:46									#5
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d=me, what have you thought by gravtanks

	10-04-2004 17:20									#6
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I think Grav ships are fun! If you are a very tech-heavy faction, to ability to have rapid response hard hitting gravships is just to tempting, they can also capture cities, which works great if you dont midn using nerve gas attacks to weaken a city before destroying or taking it all in one turn.

	10-04-2004 18:42									#7
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They are inferior to choppers because they can only attack once per turn.

But I think the OP referred to gravtanks, meaning hovertanks. In which case, once you have the tech for hovertanks, they are better than rovers, yes. How is an extra tile moved each turn NOT good?

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	10-04-2004 19:33									#8
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I've never seen any gravships what are they? I personally think that gravtanks make rovers obsolete with it's full scale abilities which means that it has no obivous weaknesses.

	10-04-2004 20:33									#9
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They are essentially Domain 3 units- can move over land and water, but don't have to refuel.

	10-04-2004 21:03									#10
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Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but what's the difference between a bomber and an interceptor in Centauri. Because sometimes my airships get ground attack penalties, but sometimes they don't, and I really want to know why.

	10-04-2004 21:07									#11
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If you have an air platrom with SAM capability it is an intercepter, full against airtargets; 1/2 against ground/naval; fights with weapon rather than armor if attacked while in the air; can intercept from base.

bomber/penetrator etc is air platfrom without SAM: full against ground/naval; if attacked in air defends with armor.

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	10-04-2004 21:22									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Commy Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but what's the difference between a bomber and an interceptor in Centauri. Because sometimes my airships get ground attack penalties, but sometimes they don't, and I really want to know why.

Inteceptor has Air Superiority (called SAM for some reason) which means they can attack other aircraft. They get a penalty attacking ground units.
Bombers do not have Air Superiority, and hence can not attack other aircraft. They bomb ground units (and aircraft that have landed inside bases) with full strength.

	10-04-2004 22:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns (called SAM for some reason)

that's because it's the same equiptment that allows ground or sea units to to attack aircraft.

	11-04-2004 05:11									#14
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Okay thanks guys about the bombers and interceptor things. THat is very very helpful. I just started not using just probe teams and decided I would start using air units. Very helpful, thanks.

	11-04-2004 16:52									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Method that's because it's the same equiptment that allows ground or sea units to to attack aircraft.

It should be called AAM, I mean are the incerceptors on ground when they engage enemy craft?

	12-04-2004 04:12									#16
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No, rather they drop bombs that land and then launch missiles. It makes as much sense as laser artillery.

	13-04-2004 11:47									#17
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns (called SAM for some reason) It should be called AAM, I mean are the incerceptors on ground when they engage enemy craft?

Easy to change. In alphax.txt, under #ABILITIES, change:
Air Superiority, 1, DocAir, SAM, 000000001111, Attacks air units
to:
Air Superiority, 1, DocAir, AAM, 000000001111, Attacks air units

You'll need to suspend reality half the time either way, because SAM is Surface-to-Air Missile and AAM is Air-to-Air Missile, although AAM could mean Anti-Aircraft Missile.

	13-04-2004 12:07									#18
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really there is no reason not to use better units as they become available. I guess if you had an enourmous army of rovers you could just continue to upgrade them. Which is what I normally do. but any new units I design utilize the better design. Why not use them?

As for interceptors, I use them all the time. To knock out enemy interceptors (because I get annoyed when they take out my penetrators). I only use aircraft versions. I never thought about giving SAM ability to land units- they just don't have enough movement. It takes so long to get neural grafting, and I have more important abilities to add-on. Even with neural grafting I still have too many things I'd rather have than SAM ability for a land unit.

	13-04-2004 12:46									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory No, rather they drop bombs that land and then launch missiles. It makes as much sense as laser artillery.

Laser artillery just needs to use carefully positioned mirrors... er... or something...

	13-04-2004 12:48									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski How is an extra tile moved each turn NOT good?

And by the time you can make them your industry should be strong enough to churn them out fast AND you should be able to ensure that they are Elite (if you are playing a belligerent game with +MORALE effects) - four tiles of movement a turn.

	13-04-2004 12:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident As for interceptors, I use them all the time. To knock out enemy interceptors (because I get annoyed when they take out my penetrators). I only use aircraft versions. I never thought about giving SAM ability to land units- they just don't have enough movement. It takes so long to get neural grafting, and I have more important abilities to add-on. Even with neural grafting I still have too many things I'd rather have than SAM ability for a land unit.

Does anyone use ground units with the Air Superiority ability?

	13-04-2004 12:58									#22
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SAM Rovers to get the Needlejets the AI sent over but ran out of movement points one-two-three spaces from the base.

	13-04-2004 13:00									#23
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quote: Originally posted by gwillybj SAM Rovers to get the Needlejets the AI sent over but ran out of movement points one-two-three spaces from the base.

Seems like a "niche-role" to me.

	13-04-2004 13:34									#24
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I suppose if your land units were too far from your own bases and you don't have carrier decks yet.

I almost was in this situation. My land units were far from home. But once you get that first city you can station your air units there (provided you can get there in 2 turns)

Still it doesn't seem worth it to build sam land units. I just go in with a strong enough land force that can sustain a few casualties to enemy needlejets. I sometimes like to use AAA ability for my units, although that usually waits until after neural grafting. I usually do comm jammer before AAA.

	13-04-2004 15:35									#25
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quote: Originally posted by gwillybj SAM Rovers to get the Needlejets the AI sent over but ran out of movement points one-two-three spaces from the base.

You don't build enough roads / mag tubes. With mag tubes a very small number can wreak havoc on the enemy, though interceptors are better if you can build enough to cover yourself.

	13-04-2004 17:23									#26
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SAM copters are the bee's knees. One of those can destroy waves of penentrators (ok, but they have to watch out for enemy interceptors)

-Jam

	13-04-2004 20:03									#27
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How about HSM (Heat Seeking Missle) that would be ok for ground or Air Units but onfortunatly makes no sense when the unit dosent have missles as its weapon system