11-04-2004 22:13									#31
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Nice.

Now that you've linked it here more people will read it too.

	11-04-2004 22:20									#32
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Well, it's mainly supposed for those who are interested in getting CtP2, and those people visit CtP2 forums in the first place. However, I surely have no objections if some Civ 3 players read it, too.

	12-04-2004 05:38									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident civ3 does not suck. well not until you've played it a few hundred times. Then it tends to be repititave.

Funny, I figured that out after 4-5 times...saved myself a lot of potential wasted time

Actually, its not that bad, but a lot of micromanagement things really need to be addressed in civ3.

	13-04-2004 06:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by d=me Civ 3 really sucks.

You forgot the Beavis & Butthead laugh: heh-heheh-heh heheh-heheh

	13-04-2004 11:30									#35
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Funny, I figured that out after 4-5 times...saved myself a lot of potential wasted time Actually, its not that bad, but a lot of micromanagement things really need to be addressed in civ3.

micromanagement isn't all bad, if it's fun micromanagement

I like building my empire in the beginning of the game. And I love moving around my workers in the beginning. But it just gets annoying later in the game for some reason. I really should use the automation I guess.

	13-04-2004 17:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike There are 2 votes for yes so someone agrees.

	13-04-2004 18:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by d=me I do play alpha centauri and it's my favourate game.

Have you tried Rise of Nations (RoN)? Brian Reynolds, who designed/lead programmer of SMAC, created RoN. I'd also like to recommend a few Paradox games: EU2, HOI, and Victoria.

Personally, I enjoy Civ3 very much, even more since Conquests.

	13-04-2004 21:08									#38
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don't feed the troll.

	14-04-2004 01:05									#39
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Ah, but it's an amusing troll.

	14-04-2004 01:23									#40
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well, I have to agree...

	14-04-2004 03:08									#41
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Have you tried Rise of Nations (RoN)? Brian Reynolds, who designed/lead programmer of SMAC, created RoN. I'd also like to recommend a few Paradox games: EU2, HOI, and Victoria.

The fact that BR was heavily involved with RoN doesn't really do much to recommend it to a fan of BR's TBS classic. If you like RTS then play RoN, but don't play it just because of BR.

	14-04-2004 07:28									#42
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that's true, spikey. to those who love rts games, RON must be a joy to play. to me it was interesting - the best rts game that i have played, but even this fact could not make me want to buy the game after i had experienced the demo.

	14-04-2004 13:53									#43
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Yeah that's my point. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad about RoN. It's just I get perplexed with TBS people saying they'd buy it just because of BR, when if they don't like RTS they wont like it, regardless of the few minor tweaks introduced in RoN.

	16-04-2004 02:02									#44
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Yes I have rise of nations. considering the games you suggested, never heard of them though. Thanks.

	16-04-2004 02:11									#45
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Are these neopads?

	16-04-2004 16:50									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Yeah that's my point. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad about RoN. It's just I get perplexed with TBS people saying they'd buy it just because of BR, when if they don't like RTS they wont like it, regardless of the few minor tweaks introduced in RoN.

The rec is actually easy to understand. The thread author appeared to be distressed over Civ3, I, simply was trying to offer him something constructive.

	16-04-2004 17:26									#47
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Indeed. However, based on the preferences he has exhibited I pointed out that it would be more constructive to recommend a TBS game, than an RTS game just because BR was involved in it.

	16-04-2004 17:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Indeed. However, based on the preferences he has exhibited I pointed out that it would be more constructive to recommend a TBS game, than an RTS game just because BR was involved in it.

Definitely makes sense. I just didn't want to be the cause of someone's perplexion (Is that a word?). But, there are people who see movies just because of a favorite actor or actress, regardless of what the movie genre is, would you say?

	16-04-2004 21:19									#49
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Mediocre at best, but not as sucky as CTP

	16-04-2004 21:45									#50
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quote: Mediocre at best, but not as sucky as CTP

Says someone who has most likely never really given CtP a try.

	16-04-2004 22:13									#51
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Fight fight fight.

	17-04-2004 00:34									#52
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CTP has cool concepts packed in a playability that is colder than the North Pole.

	17-04-2004 02:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: Mediocre at best, but not as sucky as CTP Says someone who has most likely never really given CtP a try.

Oh I tried alright...and tried...and tried.....

The user interface was so crappy and turgid that I basically threw up my hands after 100 turns. The units, techs, and wonder are either so blatantly overpowered or blatantly derivative it makes the game almost unplayable.

At least it taught me the lesson never to pay full price for software again.

	17-04-2004 02:38									#54
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quote: The user interface was so crappy and turgid that I basically threw up my hands after 100 turns.

you get out, what you put in, as they say.

	17-04-2004 13:11									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay At least it taught me the lesson never to pay full price for software again.

Well, what do you do then? Play the demo? Or are you referring the price drop that comes after a year or so after release?

	17-04-2004 13:25									#56
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I'm sure he's talking about that.

And of course bargain bins. Although it's risky to wait that long. Some games never seem to make it to the bargain bin.

And you can always buy used games using ebay or something

	17-04-2004 17:05									#57
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quote: The user interface was so crappy and turgid that I basically threw up my hands after 100 turns. The units, techs, and wonder are either so blatantly overpowered or blatantly derivative it makes the game almost unplayable.

Well, that's the only popular complaint with which I can agree about CtP1. If you were the first to build the London Exchange wonder, everyone else was doomed, no matter what.

	17-04-2004 17:28									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay The user interface was so crappy and turgid that I basically threw up my hands after 100 turns.

And I thought that the CTP1 UI was intuitive and user friendly and is superior to both the CTP2 and civ3 interfaces...

So it's a matter of opinion I guess.

	17-04-2004 19:38									#59
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"Maximize city" buttons in CtP1 were good, but nothing beats building multiple queues in CtP2, i couldnt do without it.

	17-04-2004 20:52									#60
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quote: And I thought that the CTP1 UI was intuitive and user friendly and is superior to both the CTP2 and civ3 interfaces...

Well fortunately most good things from CtP1 remain in CtP2 - except the message system which is still far superior, IMO, in CtP1 - I still miss CtP2 messages occasionally. Other than that, though, CtP2 does have the great queue management and other great things .