21-04-2004 17:32									#91
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everyone else has managed a +4 discussing the mythical +8, there's my two cents (I mean +1)

	21-04-2004 17:33									#92
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Civ 3 clearly doesn't suck. Maybe it just doesn't appeal to you. All the reasons you listed as negatives, D=Me, I just don't see those as negatives.

	21-04-2004 17:51									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Ming What +8

That's funny, I'm sure there was one there yesterday. It must have deleted itself.

	21-04-2004 18:01									#94
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one word



I wont even get into a discussion whether Civ3 sucks or not...

	21-04-2004 22:56									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Daz one word I wont even get into a discussion whether Civ3 sucks or not...

Yet spam your point for all to see anyway

	22-04-2004 05:30									#96
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Thank you Antrine.

	22-04-2004 06:39									#97
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You welcome!!

I would not say this game sucks, however I would not play the Vanilla at all either because I feel it is 'very flat'. That said the Conquest Game Editor is a blessing times ten. The times ten; is using it, mastering it and taking advantage of the mods other people make. I never played CIV II unmodded as well. I do not know how many players there are like unto me, however a well modded game is worth it's weight in gold! Pun intended.

Happy Gaming!

	22-04-2004 11:34									#98
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I never play modded games. I'm strange that way.

So what mods for Civ3 are out there?

	22-04-2004 12:45									#99
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quote: Yet spam your point for all to see anyway

Of course! I'm with you guys...

	22-04-2004 13:04									#100
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Who are those 4 ppl voted for yes?
And can someone explaining to me what u are talking about in the last 2 pages (about +8 +4) ? I've read from page 1, but I think I miss something here

	22-04-2004 17:59									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident we should have been talking about SMAC as well. The best TBS ever created.

I you.

And spamming aside, the reason SMAC succeeds where Civ3 and Ctp fail boils down to two words: Balance and Symmetry. SMAC had it; the others didn't.

	22-04-2004 19:03									#102
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Jac, I agree with you 100%. It also had incredible atmosphere, which is also something Civ3 wasn't quite able to achieve in. In SMAC, you actually had real, significant feelings about and towards each of the factions.

Binyo, d=me had what is called a double post, except instead of one he had 8 in a row. Ming later deleted all but one, which is why posts about it no longer make sense.

	22-04-2004 20:31									#103
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SMAC had a great atmosphere... but the biggest problem about the game was a terrible AI, which was basically the same Civ 2 AI. The game was incredibly complex, and the AI didn't understand so many concepts...

	22-04-2004 21:53									#104
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//'Balance and Symmetry'// quote by Jac de Molay

//'incredible atmospher'// quote by Switch

This is the allure of well using the Conquests Game Editor...

Wish us luck

I would also add, hard hitting strategy from the beginning amidst clever surprizes.

	23-04-2004 01:58									#105
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quote: Originally posted by binyo66 Who are those 4 ppl voted for yes? And can someone explaining to me what u are talking about in the last 2 pages (about +8 +4) ? I've read from page 1, but I think I miss something here

There was an 8x post, which I think Ming now has deleted hence your confusion.

	23-04-2004 07:01									#106
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@Alfa and Switch, thx for explaining. Now, I know I dont miss anything (I though its kinda a new CivIII trick )
Ppl seems to love SMAC, probably I need to buy it. What make it SMAC different with Civ3 ?

	23-04-2004 12:14									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Solver SMAC had a great atmosphere... but the biggest problem about the game was a terrible AI, which was basically the same Civ 2 AI. The game was incredibly complex, and the AI didn't understand so many concepts...

Civ3 only appears to have a better ai because there are many, many less concepts for the AI to understand. Terraforming (worker actions) are severely limited compared to smac. All the ai has to do is mine and road everything (which is what they do). That is something they can't screw up.

So I don't think civ3 ai is that much more superior than smac. It just has less decisions to make, so it's bound to do better.

I generally like historical games, so I'm partial to Civ3.

But I've been playing smac lately, and recently got alien crossfire. The computer isn't a huge challenge, but what makes this game shine is the multiple ways of winning. In Civ3 you pretty much have to play one way or your not going to win. In SMAC you could play a peaceful builder and win the game. Or you could play a conquerer, or a hyrbrid. You could do your own research, or you could steal other's research. Or a combination. Multiple ways of doing combat. Sure you have the rover rush- which is similar to horsemen rush. But you can choose to add things like nerve gas to augment your troops if you need to- or if you're just evil.

	24-04-2004 16:29									#108
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SMAC has many many more options. Units aren't fixed - you can design defending units that move 2 squares so that a few of them can defend your whole empire, moving to where they are needed, or cheaper infantry defenders that can't move as fast.

Rather than a choice of a few governments, the SMAC governments are split into different choices, such as economic or society values. This gives 256 different "government" combinations, although the number of usable ones are much lower. There are still more choices than in Civ.

A major drawback of SMAC compared to Civ is accessibility. For example:

Civ: You just discovered The Wheel
"Cool, now I can build faster units and start some military domination of this region! Fear me!"

SMAC: You just discovered Organic Superlubricant
"Oh. Good. I think. "

And while the veterens can beat the AI on the highest difficulty level with great ease, it can still be a challenge for lesser players (such as myself).

	24-04-2004 21:12									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns A major drawback of SMAC compared to Civ is accessibility. For example: Civ: You just discovered The Wheel "Cool, now I can build faster units and start some military domination of this region! Fear me!" SMAC: You just discovered Organic Superlubricant "Oh. Good. I think. "

Yes, but bear in mind that many of those techs are viable future techs that could be happening within the time frame given. The game incorporates things such as Doctrine:air or Doctrine:Flex, which are logistically hindered by lack of access to resources and infrastructure, as well as techs like Organic Superlube, Synthetic fossil fuels or Nanotechnology which could have a huge impact in the future. It's a nice approach, I think. The techs aren't that esoteric, IMO.

	26-04-2004 02:25									#110
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SMAC just needs a good Civlopedia thats all (and may have one that people just haven't looked at, I've never played it to know!)

	26-04-2004 03:03									#111
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C3 was an improvement over SMAC, and a huge one over C2. The things left out of C3 that were in SMAC were left out for one of two reasons: they don't make sense in the context of a real-world civ game, or they were bad. SE and the fifty gazillion terraforming options fall under the former category; crawlers under the latter.

	26-04-2004 05:10									#112
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quote: Originally posted by alva I remember Theseus doing this aswell, but that one was much funnier. Edit : wow, even remember whih thread it was Theuseus' climax

I'm still blown away by the size of Ribannah's...

Empire.

Yeah, that's the ticket!!

	30-04-2004 08:38									#113
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Oh, Civ 3 has it's flaws. But generally less than in Civ 1, and we didn't have an internet to moan on then
I'm getting a similar intolerance for FPS games...result? I just don't play that sort any more

	30-04-2004 08:39									#114
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Aw no, I missed the other 3 pages again