11-04-2004 08:57									#1
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Yeah so, why don't we have one? Sure, we're a close knit community and all, but I think having a CivGroup for the Designers would be kind of fun. According to the FAQ these are the perks:

A member of a civgroup can

1. Have the CivGroup icon under his username in his posts

2. Show up in the CivGroup memberlist, so he can be contacted by other members of the same CivGroup

3. Submit CivGroups News for the CivGroup he is a member of

4. Access private forums(e.g. in democracy games with teams)


Anyone care to discuss?

	11-04-2004 15:36									#2
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I think that's a very cool idea, because the news (point 3). We can use to distribute announces of new scens and final releases a little faster than the standard news of apolyton.net/civ2

	11-04-2004 20:56									#3
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Any ideas for what goes in our private forum? Other than vocabulary lists from Palaiologos and Fairline.

	11-04-2004 21:02									#4
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Hehe, I would subscribe to such forums too - even if those little children go ahead causing mayhem with their pride ...

	11-04-2004 21:46									#5
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I think it would be interesting to have such a thing. Palaiogos', Fairline's and Curt's discussions are always interesting, and then it wouldn't be OT or thread-jacking. And the news thing is useful.

	11-04-2004 21:48									#6
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I wouldn't have anything against it, and I'd join too- could prove to be useful.

	11-04-2004 22:31									#7
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I'm not sure...

1 is kinda fun, but not particularly interesting.
2 doesn't really add anything either. I already know most people around here anyway. I basically use my buddy list for this already.
3 would be very nice.
4 isn't part of the deal, I think. It's only something that applies to demogames.

So it basically comes down to (3), and that's not always necessary. Especially if you're following the scenario threads themselves anyway...

But most of all, if the civgroup news isn't used by all designers or if the news editors aren't too active, or lose interest after the initial rush has worn off, it will only add to the confusion... See the Scenario League website and magazine, for instance (no offense).

	11-04-2004 23:37									#8
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Well, I think the solution would be to be active, news editors post stuff whenever anything happens, and I think it would be kept going, as evidenced by the activity in this forum.

	12-04-2004 00:06									#9
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Well I think it couldn't hurt to have a CivGroup. Here are some of my thoughts:

1. Yes, it is kind of redundant, for those already involved in our area but what if we used it as a marketing tool?.

We all know that Civ2 is getting older and is being outpaced in popularity by such games as Civ3. A damn shame to be sure as we all know.

But what if we used the CivGroup as a way to drum up interest about Civ2? Our badges would advertise our abilities and we could announce the great strides in art and game modifications that have been made in the past few years. I think its something to be proud of really. The original game is roughly 9 years old now and we're still molding it. Maybe we should advertise our success?

2. It provides us with another forum and other options. In the other forum we could designate "Top" Threads for scenario designers. I know that CDGroup does this, but they don't enjoy the traffic like Apolyton does or the benefits of the greater Apolyton community.

3. Strength in numbers. Remember when we had that Apolyton Hall of Fame thread pop up and the comment was made that very few of us were on that thread or knew the people involved? Well by giving our group an identity beyond what we have now we could have a larger presence here at Apolyton.

CivFan used to have a huge community, but it got outpaced by the lure of a newer sequel. Now that community is dwindling. I don't want that to happen here especially since I enjoy the talent that is circulating in the Apolyton forums right now.

	12-04-2004 02:12									#10
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Count me in - this is a great way to augment the poly forums!

As harry says, great stuff is bieng made in CIV2 poly almost every day, so we should make moves to get this fine effort recognised.

Also, I think the CIV2 creators would proudly wear a CivGroup Icon!


Let's do this!

	12-04-2004 08:17									#11
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Icon?

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	12-04-2004 12:07									#12
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Also, I think the CIV2 creators would proudly wear a CivGroup Icon!

Now I have to finish creating something. Nice icon

	12-04-2004 14:56									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle But what if we used the CivGroup as a way to drum up interest about Civ2?

Um... Maybe, but it's not like it's some sort of massive banner or anything. In fact, the icon is so small that the entire name "Scenario League" doesn't fit on, and I'm not sure the letters C2SL are enticing enough to lure people over here. Have you ever visited some other forum just because of a funny civgroup icon someone sported?

quote: 2. It provides us with another forum and other options.

No it doesn't. The only addition would be the CivGroup news, which can only be posted by assigned news editors. There will not be a new forum. New forums are only applicable for demogames, because they need to have private conversations to prevent the competition from eavesdropping. There are civ2 succession game and multiplayer groups, for instance, and they only have the forum as listed in the civ2 section.

Why would we need a new forum anyway, isn't one (two, if you count the hints/tips/guides subforum) enough already? And a private forum would be counterproductive altogether.

If we want more direct control over the SL forum, we need to ask for new mods (considering techumseh and WarVoid are AWOL).

quote: In the other forum we could designate "Top" Threads for scenario designers.

I really don't think the Sleague is the right place for this. We'd end up with every designer in their own little corner. With the forums turning into everyone's little homepage and showcase. If we want to achieve something like that, I think a "Great Library" initiative is better. Have a topped index thread with links to all those creator's threads.

quote: 3. Strength in numbers. Remember when we had that Apolyton Hall of Fame thread pop up and the comment was made that very few of us were on that thread or knew the people involved? Well by giving our group an identity beyond what we have now we could have a larger presence here at Apolyton.

The reason we have such a small presence is because we all like it in our little cozy corner over here and most of us don't feel the need to venture beyond it (and most of the people in the other parts of Apolyton feel the same way).

If you had wanted to know the people involved, visit the OT forums (which some of us already do). If we want more votes for civ2 people, how about we actually vote for them!? DarkCloud posted the thread here for just that purpose, and nobody reacted (this time). It's like not voting, and then complaining about the government.

The OT has a massive crowd, and it's where the Hall of Fame was born. Naturally, that's why it gets the most attention there, and why a lot of the inductees are off-topicers. Many of them aren't even interested in civ...

quote: CivFan used to have a huge community, but it got outpaced by the lure of a newer sequel. Now that community is dwindling. I don't want that to happen here especially since I enjoy the talent that is circulating in the Apolyton forums right now.

I don't think an icon is gonna make any difference there.

I have nothing against this CivGroup, but don't think it's going to be anything more than just a fancy little icon and civgroup news.


I'm just trying to be practical and realistic, though I may very well sound a little pesseimistic and depressed, so feel free to ignore my comments.

	12-04-2004 16:16									#14
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Nice idea Harry

quote: Originally posted by jim panse Hehe, I would subscribe to such forums too - even if those little children go ahead causing mayhem with their pride ...

Childish, yes, proud, certainly not!

	12-04-2004 21:26									#15
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I honestly cannot see how a CivGroup for creators could hurt.

We all want the community to survive, yes?
We want to quantify Mod-makers, yes?
We all agree that it is time the talent in SL got recognised, yep?

This initiative is the way to go.

No time for being humble - I agree we should do it!

	13-04-2004 00:17									#16
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Tell you what. I'll give the powers that be a holler tonight and see what our options are.

	13-04-2004 01:14									#17
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Good show!

	13-04-2004 06:32									#18
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Ok I sent a message. I felt it was prudent to use the CivGroup "contact us" message writer in the CivGroup forums.

If we don't hear from anyone in a day or two I'll try a more direct approach and just start PMing Mods or go through the community forum. Here's hoping.


Hello Moderators & Site Owners,

A few days ago I took it upon myself to create thread concerning the possible creation of a Civ2 Scenario League CivGroup in the Civ2 Scenario League forums. The link can be found here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=112629

Myself and a few others were wondering if it would be possible to create a CivGroup for our little niche much like the Spanish Civers and the Storywriting Guild have. We have discussed a few points as to the pros and cons of such a group, but I feel that more clarity could be given by the Moderators. So, if anyone could lend us a hand, tell us a little about CivGroups, beyond the FAQ's, and explain to us what benefit it would have for our talented group, we would be forever grateful.

I believe the motivation behind wanting to form a CivGroup is explained, at least partly, in the linked thread.

If you would so kindly, please reply to this message in the linked thread so that all of the Designers, the ones who spend so much of our free time here at Apolyton creating wonderful new ways to play Civ2, can here what CivGroups are all about.

Yours in Modding,

Harry Tuttle

EDIT: damn! a typo!

	15-04-2004 07:11									#19
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Sent Rah a PM just now asking for a few comments. Hope he responds.

	15-04-2004 18:44									#20
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Now, we wait and see what the grand lords make of the request!

	15-04-2004 20:08									#21
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mail me an icon (15x19 gif)
(i'm almost certain there is someone around here who can draw one )

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	15-04-2004 20:17									#22
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Look up the page, Harry made a good one.

	16-04-2004 02:01									#23
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waiting to join the civgroup

	16-04-2004 03:35									#24
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hmm, rather than just any old icon, we ought to make a shield.

	16-04-2004 09:02									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley hmm, rather than just any old icon, we ought to make a shield.

Ideas?

	16-04-2004 09:39									#26
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Got a directive from MarkG to set up an icon and a News Editor for the group. I replied that the editor and icon will be chosen by popular vote and availability of the editor.

So, first order of business.

Like any other CivGroup we need someone to act as facilitator of the news. This person needs to be available and be able to act as a collector and disseminator of the news. Who will be able to actively gather news, even if it is not announced directly to the news editor, and publish it? All it will take is some time, patience, and a bit of perusing and asking politely. Hell, we can have a whole news staff, but one has to act as head.

Please, only serious candidates apply (In this thread).

Second order of business.

An icon needs to be chosen. It needs to be the same size as all the other CivGroup icons, as MarkG has stated, and be a .gif, if I'm not correct. If you have one please post it. Multiple candidates, if there is no clear consensus, will be chosen by a poll, which will have to be posted seperately.

PLEASE, wait for a poll to be posted if it is necessary. We don't want spam galore.

Third order of business.

A seperate forum for civ creators is probably out of the question. As Mercator has stated the seperate forums are primarly for Diplogames. MarkG has verified this. I've asked for a little leeway in this as a way to relieve the burden of having a large number of topped threads clutter up the foums, but we'll see. It's all up to MarkG.

Fourth order of business.

I'd like to create a "Chamber of Commerce" for the Scenario League. I envision a group of people acting as goodwill embassadors to related sites and forums as a way to drum up talk of the Scenario League. Totally voluntary and totally non-demanding, this group will simply act as billboards and pervayors of word of mouth. Anyone interested?

	16-04-2004 11:33									#27
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What about like Civ 2 SL or something on a shield?

	16-04-2004 16:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle A seperate forum for civ creators is probably out of the question. As Mercator has stated the seperate forums are primarly for Diplogames. MarkG has verified this. I've asked for a little leeway in this as a way to relieve the burden of having a large number of topped threads clutter up the foums, but we'll see. It's all up to MarkG.

So what exactly do you have in mind? You already have the Hints, Tips and Guides forum. If the stickies are really that bothersome, I guess they could be moved there. Personally, I'd prefer that the graphics threads remain where they are - one less mouse-click. However, the Graphics Workshop thread could probably be shunted to the other forum. Really, I can't see any benefits to be gained by creating a third forum.

	16-04-2004 17:37									#29
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I think the new shield, civgroup, chamber of commerce, etc are great concepts -

but I think we have to combine some forums, not make more.

PS
I would be willing to help out in news and diplomacy,
Also, these areas would be more efficient with a team of people, rather than just one person.

Just my tuppence.

	16-04-2004 19:07									#30
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Alright, how about we just start out with getting an icon and editor picked. The forum idea can wait or be dropped entirely, whatever you guys want.