11-04-2004 22:55									#1
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I hope that throne and patriots is not going to be delayed again!

	12-04-2004 00:49									#2
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i dont think it has been delayed ever dont think there is even release date yet

	12-04-2004 22:04									#3
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Go to the main site and read about it. It was supposed to be released on april the 2nd.

	13-04-2004 02:35									#4
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says it will be released on april 28th

	13-04-2004 08:35									#5
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I'm really hoping this won't be one of these Constant-Delayed-Then-Once-It-Arrives-Its-A-Big-Disappointment

Such as MOO3.

	13-04-2004 12:31									#6
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Better late and good than early but in dire need of patching.

	13-04-2004 18:34									#7
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MOO3 had that promise, Locutus. It kept delaying, saying "fix bugs in game" over and over.

Then when we actually got the game, it was a HUGE let down. There were still considerable bugs and screw-ups in the game.

So I'm kind of skeptical when games keep being delayed. I guess MOO3 taught me a hard lesson.

	13-04-2004 19:35									#8
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Not just the lengthened time but the price increase too.

	14-04-2004 00:11									#9
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where u getting your info d=me?

	14-04-2004 00:12									#10
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I don't even want to consider how much worse it would have been had they released it even earlier...

	14-04-2004 01:31									#11
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Actually, the earlier versions of MOO3 had MORE features, believe it or not.

It had some cool features that were taken out of the game upon release.

I wouldn't mind the bugs as long as the features were included. Bugs would be fixed with patches, while patches have a hard time eliminating features in games.

In fact, I don't remember any game expansion or game patches that took away the original features or options in the "vanilla" version of the games.

	14-04-2004 06:36									#12
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The designers had good reasons for removing those features, I'm sure. If you want to know what happens if you add features that aren't ready for release, play CtP1 (space layer in particular breaks the late game; not a coincidence it was removed after all for CtP2).

And MoO3 was an exception in this respect. The fact they were adding/removing features so late in the development cycle is a bad sign anyway. Most games are feature-locked much earlier, and focus on balance issues and debugging in the final phases, in which case postponed release dates can only benefit the result.

	14-04-2004 12:19									#13
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I have CTP 1 and I think I know what you mean.

I usually build 30 - 50 nukes, launch them into space, then drop them right next to enemy cities, so no "interceptions"

Then if the city has SDI, oh well. If not, Game Over for the enemy.

In addition I can pretty much explore the full map, and reveal every existing enemy city within 3 or 4 turns with several pods, depending on map size.


However, I don't have CTP 2. Is it worth getting?

	14-04-2004 23:48									#14
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You are asking Locutos if CTP2 is worth getting?

I wonder what he will say.....

BTW according to BluesNews RON T+P has gone gold and will ship on April 27

	15-04-2004 00:44									#15
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Since asking Locutus that is dangerous, here's another shameless plug to an impartial piece of advice .

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=112597

	15-04-2004 10:29									#16
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A lesson learned then, Solver and JimMac.

However, I've always wondered if CTP 2 was actually better, the same, or just a copy of CTP 1 minus Space Stuff.

I'll look up the link, Solver. Thanks, man.

	15-04-2004 10:52									#17
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Just went thru the thread.

I think I'll try and acquire a copy of CTP 2. It sounds like a game worth playing. It should be cheap by now, so no money worries.

Thanks a lot, Solver.

	15-04-2004 14:03									#18
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Damn, now it's too late for me to reply -- and I was so looking forward to it

	15-04-2004 16:41									#19
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I got this game for discount, but then after a while it asks for the 2nd CD.

I didn't get a 2nd CD in the set! Just the one CD. So now I'm stuck.

Edit: Woah! By "This game", I do of course mean CTP2, not RON Thrones and Patriots... ahahahaha... heheh... hurmzzzz...

	15-04-2004 21:50									#20
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Hey Sovereign, I'm glad I made you want to get the game . It's even better as it sounds there, as the bugs are constantly being fixed by the source code project. The only problem is, you may find it hard somewhat to find a copy.

	15-04-2004 21:51									#21
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Ali,
That shouldn't happen, there IS only 1 CD: a total install of of CtP2 is less than 400 MB, and much of that consists of movies you can perfectly do without if needed.

If you post the details (name and language of the game, when exactly it asks for the 2nd CD, windows version, etc) in the CtP2-General forum, maybe we can figure out a way to get the game running for you...

Last edited by Locutus on 15-04-2004 at 22:04

	16-04-2004 01:59									#22
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I got my info from eb when I added money to the pre release order. The game went from 40-45 canadian. Then it went back to 40.

	16-04-2004 05:28									#23
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Hehe Locutus.

Solver, I could always try Amazon, despite my semi-misgivings about it. Sacrifices must be made.

	16-04-2004 05:55									#24
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I think CtP2 will be the last great tbs empire game made. It must take alot time and money to produce a game on this scale . Ron is fun to play but each game does not have its own story to it as CtP2 does. Locutus -you should check a game thats coming out this year Supreme Ruler looks very deep has many diplomacy options

	17-04-2004 01:13									#25
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ron is not a tbs game its a rts

	17-04-2004 02:56									#26
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It is TBS in two aspects, Flash.

Conquer the World.

Pause Button to execute commands (semi-TBS, I admit).

	17-04-2004 03:16									#27
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I can't wait for the damn expansion to come out!

	17-04-2004 04:24									#28
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Its always been a rts game, to me atleast. Since i dont play ctw and play online its defintaly a rts to me since you cant really pause in mp

If you want it that bad d=me you could try this i guess http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp...645578&Section=

	17-04-2004 05:34									#29
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I see. Can you upgrade it to the full game later?

	17-04-2004 07:42									#30
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You'd have to buy the expansion box w/ the cd. It has been that way for every game except GalCiv.

The downloads are PATCHES, which fix game bugs and are free of charge.