11-04-2004 23:00									#1
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I think that alpha centauri is better than rise of nations. It is more complicated.

	11-04-2004 23:54									#2
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I agree.

	12-04-2004 02:15									#3
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I concur.

anything else we need to add?

RON is a RTS game after all. Putting the level of complication SMAC has into that game would be quite a challenge.

It's nice you can assign orders while paused. But I always forget to pause the game . And I always forget to update my builds and such. This was in the demo mind you, I never bought the game because I suck at RTS for this reason.

	12-04-2004 02:36									#4
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Games aren't meant to be paused. And I personally think that the reason that brain is so unfamous is that he's things are too complicated like lisa simpson(or that's what she is supposed to be) I am one of his kind of person. who dosen't care about profit but his own imagenary mintness.

	12-04-2004 03:25									#5
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Shouldn't this thread be in the "Other Games" thread or the RoN?

	12-04-2004 16:06									#6
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No. It glorifies SMAC over RoN. SMAC rules

	12-04-2004 21:34									#7
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I was wondering if RoN was any good. Well, if it doesn't blow away SMAC, then it is not good enough.

Signed,
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	12-04-2004 23:07									#8
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quote: Originally posted by d=me Games aren't meant to be paused.

Pah. That's the biggest gripe I have about RTS games- clickety clickety clickety all the live-long day. I can think about a half-dozen RTS games off the top of my head that would be way better with a good pause function.

	13-04-2004 01:12									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Pah. That's the biggest gripe I have about RTS games- clickety clickety clickety all the live-long day.

RTS favors players with reflexes. Turn-based favor intelligent, introspective players.

Choose and perish!



but now that I know that RoN is RTS it lost my interest.

	13-04-2004 02:49									#10
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yes but you can pause and issue orders. It's less based on reflexes than most rts games.

The problem is the computer does much of it for you. You just build a whole bunch of units, and I think the computer arranges the formations pretty much (although in the demo I think I had to position the supply wagons so they weren't in the front). So really it's all about superior firepower and numbers.

Well so is SMAC to a lesser extent. But I like to think there's a little more strategy

	13-04-2004 06:31									#11
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I dunno. I quite liked RoN. It made for some interesting gaming and fairly intelligent RTS activity.

Then again, I'm not prepared to pay $50 for it. I might search for it on eBay.

	13-04-2004 06:41									#12
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Yea RTS and TBS are 2 totally different styles of play. It just depends on what type of mood I'm in. If I'm in a hyper clicky mood, I'll go RTS or FPS. If I want a more laid back "intelligent" game, I'll go TBS.

	13-04-2004 07:10									#13
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And the more I think about, the more preposterous I think empire RTS games are.

I can understand doing real time for small tactical battles. That makes sense. But the president of the U.S. never has seconds to make a decision- he can plan for days, or weeks, or months. Nothing happens that fast on a global scale (except maybe a nuclear war)

	13-04-2004 12:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by livid imp I was wondering if RoN was any good. Well, if it doesn't blow away SMAC, then it is not good enough. Signed, Rabid Fundamentalist SMAC Fan

I concur.

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Un-diseased Democratic/Green/Knowlegdable/Eudaimonic SMAC/X Fan.

	13-04-2004 14:57									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident And the more I think about, the more preposterous I think empire RTS games are. I can understand doing real time for small tactical battles. That makes sense. But the president of the U.S. never has seconds to make a decision- he can plan for days, or weeks, or months. Nothing happens that fast on a global scale (except maybe a nuclear war)

Yep. It tends to be for players who need the clock ticking to keep them tense I guess. It also tends to be used in games which mix scales in order to allow the player to personally command tactical action while they are president of the U.S. This can be done fairly well (Total War series) using a mix of RTT (real time tactical) and TBS.

Civ (and most of its offspring) used a terrible method of fighting operational battles on the strategic map using tactical units. This is why World War Two would take a hundred years to play out in Civ time, as units have tactical movement allowances in a game with grand strategic turn lengths.

	13-04-2004 16:11									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Yep. It tends to be for players who need the clock ticking to keep them tense I guess. It also tends to be used in games which mix scales in order to allow the player to personally command tactical action while they are president of the U.S. This can be done fairly well (Total War series) using a mix of RTT (real time tactical) and TBS.

I greatly enjoy the tactical battles in the Total War series (I'm a wargamer, sue me ) although I find the strategic elements less compelling and a little "dinky". It would be nice to have a medieval computer-game that used medieval methods to recruit troops (this is what studying different patterns of feudal administration will do to you...).

quote: Civ (and most of its offspring) used a terrible method of fighting operational battles on the strategic map using tactical units. This is why World War Two would take a hundred years to play out in Civ time, as units have tactical movement allowances in a game with grand strategic turn lengths.

Amen!
In the Civ2 scenarios I made I altered the turn increments to months to reflect an "operational" level. I was hoping this was possible in SMAC/X, but it seems like it isn't.

I suppose that the problem with Civ is that you need to be able to explain technological development and the construction of vast structures (like cathedrals) as well as track the movement of troops.