12-04-2004 06:18									#1
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I've always noticed that the capital always shows a 'city' icon when it is a town, and a 'metropolis' icon when it is a city. My question, though, is whether that has any effect on the defensive bonus of units stationed there. My guess is that when the capital is a town, it gets the defensive bonus of a city, and when it is a city, it gets the bonus of a metropolis. Is this right?

	13-04-2004 04:57									#2
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The capital does get a defence bonus. It should continue after it becomes a metro as well.

	13-04-2004 11:38									#3
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Really? I never noticed.. Time to rethink my 'chase the capital' strategy in single player then

	14-04-2004 00:46									#4
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I've not done any rigorous testing, but it's always seemed to me the extra size of the Capital is purely cosmetic ...

NYE: Have you done any testing confirming this extra defense bonus?

	14-04-2004 03:14									#5
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He doesn't need to, the defence bonuses have been thoroughly catalogued.

The levels are:

None
Town with walls or City (50%)
Metropolis. (100%)

The bonuses stack additively with any others.

	14-04-2004 07:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist NYE: Have you done any testing confirming this extra defense bonus?

No I haven't. I have read about it though, from time to time. Just not able to find a link easily at the moment.

	14-04-2004 08:06									#7
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I think Catt did some testing on this IIRC.

He conclusion was that there was a bonus increase indeed, again IIRC, I'm pretty certain of the latter though.

	16-04-2004 21:17									#8
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DrSpike: The question was if the capital got an extra bonus, as suggested by the "big" graphics.

alva: Thanx. I'll have to do some checking around, then.

	16-04-2004 21:23									#9
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Yes, and IIRC one would apply those figures I gave to what the graphics show the capital to be. Since someone had already made the second point, I was just adding the finishing touches and providing the numbers for anyone that wanted them.

	17-04-2004 01:47									#10
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Thats interesting, In my Mod 7 ages of man I Changed the Palace to give land, sea and air defence bonuses. I wonder if the original also gives defence for naval etc defence.
One 'problem' making the palace have citywall ability is that it Can be destroyed with an accurate Bombard! Maybe I can remove the citywall defence and leave the air defence which can be quite useful.

It makes building the palace in a important strategic position a useful tactic, as its city defence makes it far harder to conquer.
Perhaps I'll make the forbidden palace have a City wall bonus to give it more use (its changed in conquests).

	20-04-2004 00:04									#11
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quote: Originally posted by alva I think Catt did some testing on this IIRC. He conclusion was that there was a bonus increase indeed, again IIRC, I'm pretty certain of the latter though.

I don't remember testing it and I don't know the answer either! But with a poor memory, I certainly could have tested it and forgotten all about it

Catt

	20-04-2004 19:19									#12
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I just did a little test, sending 250 of my regular Warriors against 250 (unfortified) AI ones inside their capital.

122 (48.8%) of my Warriors survived; for no extra defense bonus one'd expect 114 (45,6%), and for a +50% bonus 73 (29.1%).

This strongly suggest there's, in fact, no extra defense bonus for capitals.

Edit: Corrected a couple percentages.

	20-04-2004 21:55									#13
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I'd just hate to think of all the WW that generated...

	21-04-2004 01:36									#14
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Last Conformist, thanks for your effort

I guess that settles it then

No capital defense bonus.

	24-04-2004 16:27									#15
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	24-04-2004 21:55									#16
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You can always SET the palace to give a defense bonus in the Editor. Mine has 20% (based on Rhye's of Civilization mod).

	24-04-2004 22:34									#17
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At least in PTW, that triggers a bug that allows you to destroy the Palace with bombardment. Anyone know if that's still the case in C3C?

	24-04-2004 22:38									#18
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Now is that a bug or a feature?

	24-04-2004 23:32									#19
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That must be a feature

Anyone remember losing their capitol in civ or civ2?

	25-04-2004 00:01									#20
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It wasn't sabotageable, if that's what you mean.

	25-04-2004 07:10									#21
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One of the SOTDs over on CivFanatics was a picture of someone destroying an AI palace with a catapult. This bug is associated with the 1.22 patch, I think.