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Turn 196: 810 AD Suffering from ads?

Okay, save has arrived, and a message from Vondrack as well (see log). They are agreeing on the deal, or at least are favorable, but not yet officially decided yet.

If we respond with agreeing on the offer in-game, we are 'officially' bound to the deal. Does anyone objects? I guess not, so I'm accepting, and offering Elec. Speak up if you object, there still is a bit of time.

I'm starting to play the turn now.

DeepO

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Start

- ND has not yet accepted our offer, and have not offered anything in return to Electricity. I'm not accepting their offer, but are resending the offer for electricity.

- Vox has offered Nationalism in return for Electricty accepted. I am accepting. We acquired Nationalism.

- Lego have send us Indus and 150 gold unaccepted. I'm responding with Electricity, accepted, and send our offer.

- We discover Scientific Method

- Set to AT. entered F1. slider to 0%. Changed Palace prebuild in Arashi to ToE.

- Cyclone builds worker, starts worker.
- Arashi builds ToE. We discover AT, Electronica. tech set to Indus. Starts bank (prebuild for factory)
- SS builds worker, starts worker.
- Monsoon builds uni, starts bank (prebuild)

- EotS changed to Hoover. eta: 10 turns.

- Electricity sent to GoW, accepted.

- Cancelled fur deal, and sent RP fur again, accepted. I'm not certain this was necessary, but I want to avoid them losing the furs.

- 81 gold, 0%, 0 bpt, +440 gpt
- 42 workers

Moves
In general, the specific worker moves are not covered anymore, it gets too tedious. Only important stuff is mentioned.

- RR on Elipolis 77, 8
- RR on SA 9
- RR on Blizzard 1, 11, 2
- RR on Inchoff 47, 41, 11, 12.
- Mines on Inchoff 47, 41
- RR on OG 9
- RR on Tempest 7


- Galley2 moves 9966. All of Antarctica spotted, returns home. Lego picket still at its spot
- our Southern most galley (off the Lego coast) Moves 777, returning home.
- our Western most galleon moves 8888. Will return towards Stormia via the North. more pickets spotted of both Lego as GoW.
- Northern most galley moves 999
- last Galleon (West of Inchon) moves 7778. Goes towards Elipolis, passing by ND's scouts. ND has a MI on the gems resource near Death valley.

workforce shuffles
- Cyclone set back to ideal pattern (needs this every turn).
- SS set to ideal pattern (desert instead of Mountain)
- Tempest switches mined plain for desert of WW.
- Monsoon takes coast instead of incense hill.
- hill is given to WW.
- Blizzard set from coast to desert (the one fartest away from SA, so that SA's new citizen will land on a desert as well)

Current Builds

Changed all builds to the factory prebuilds, as layed out in the Smith's thread. This assumes we will go for industrialization after SM. Can be changed back everywhere later on.

Eli : Uni in 49. Might need a harbor before a factory, not sure.
Inchon : Harbor in
WoC : Iron Works in 12
Inchoff : market in 16
Diss : GLib in 16
Santa Ana : Uni in 20
Blizzard : Uni in 10
Monsoon : bank in 15
Arashi : bank in 7 (currently on 25 spt, which is not ideal. I will have to check if RRing the mountains will get us better, otherwise some of its shields suprlus will have to go to Monsoon.)
WW : Uni in 13
Tempest : Oracle in 9
SS: worker in 2
Hurricane : Hanging gardens in 11
OG : uni in 16
EotS : Hoover Dam in 10
BB : uni in 7
Cyclone: worker in 1
Tornado : Uni in 5
Typhoon : Uni in 11
Sufa : Uni in 16

Other
- Lego doesn't have Nat yet.

- F11: Either Lego's GA is not finished yet for the F11 screen, or they are way past us in GNP: I still can't catch them, even at 100% research (which gives us 885 GNP).

- Mfg. Goods we have dropped to #3.

- turn will be sent in 5 minutes.

Next Turn

- Add one worker to Monsoon, one to OG, and one to D-ville. That will have an effect on our research power, while most important tiles have been RRed already.

- Maybe chop Tornado's last forest.

- Send Metallurgy to RP

DeepO

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Not a bad turn... 4 new techs, a wonder, and the near certainty of getting another wonder... nice

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Oh, and Arrian... another story for the public forum, perhaps? Finishing ToE is reason for celebration

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Not a bad turn...


Understatement of the day.

Whoo hoo! Well done to all who have contributed recently!

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DeepO:

Did you send the turn to me when you shipped it off to ND? I don't see to have it in my inbox.

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Trip, your hotmail is full, the message returned...

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wow, fantastic work DeepO

Cheers

I wonder if news of the ToE will have lego rethinking the elec-indus trade... hehehehe

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Well that kind of sucks, it wasn't really even full...

Ship 'er off again, I'll be waiting at the harbor...

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Resent, Trip.

and sleepy: I don't think so... I even warned them in my message that the ToE was coming. And, if they don't accept the deal, they will get behind the others, they know that too. Finishing ToE is even more reason for them to accept

Thanks BTW

DeepO

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Thanks, she finally came into port.

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Yahoo, now that is a nice turn.

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Just received an e-mail from Zayxus (will respond when I get home, those webmail things don't keep sent mail). Basically, they're offering us 1000 gold for Electricity.

I think that's a fair offer, and that we should accept without hassling. I only want to put something more formally in writing, so that they also keep to a 20-turn NDA, and that we have a reasonable idea on when payment will arrive. I would like to suggest to them that we can accept silks (or whatever lux they still have, and we don't) as replacement for money... something like 20gpt for 1 lux?

That's the 4th deal we get from Electricity, which makes it the first tech we actually profit on. 2 techs, 1150 gold, and the ToE (as I consider Elec the final payment for Medicine). Again not bad

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Yeah, lets take ND's offer - good pragmatism on hawking that about, DeepO.

Is 20gpt for a lux good value for us, though? Will it bring many WLTK cities?

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20 gpt: it may be a bit too much. It will bring all size 6 cities in WLTKD, and will make it possible that cities without markets can grow to size 12 instead of size 11 before running into happiness problems. I'm not certain how big an effect that has on our economy. I will find out tonight, if possible.

But any fewer may not be interesting for them. I can always ask for 800 gold + 20 turn of one lux, but I don't know if they'll go for it.

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ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!



ToE, Hoover on the way, and tech trades actually getting done for a change!

This rules.

Oh, and yeah, I think I might need to compose another public forum thread (not that anyone outside our team seemed to give a **** about the last two).

-Arrian

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Outrage in Arashi! "Origin of Species" draws rants, raves!

Arashi - October 4, 810 AD.

Arashi is often referred to as Stormia's second city, but today Arashi is the Eye of the Storm.

Explorer, Naturalist, Philosopher, devotee of the Stormian Church, and... Heretic? For Charles "Deep" Darwin, the world has turned upside down.

Ealier this year, Mr. Darwin returned from a journey of over 2 years to the barren coastline of Voxtavia, in Legolis Minor. Thanks in no small part to the hospitality of the Voxian government, Mr. Darwin was able to observe hundreds of species of wildlife. Those observations, however, had unexpected consequences.

In "The Origin of Species," Mr. Darwin describes his discoveries, and the conclusions he has drawn from them. One in particular - that species change over time and give rise to new species - has given him notoriety beyond his wildest nightmares. Taken to its logical conclusion, Darwin's claim suggests that all species now living are derived from earlier, now extinct species. That, in turn, suggests that the plants and animals we see around us - and indeed humans too - were not the result of divine creation, but rather what Darwin calls "natural selection" taking place over millions of years. He cites recent discoveries of fossils alleged to belong to long-dead species of reptiles as possible confirmation of his theory.

The implications of Darwin's work - originally expected to be a minor scholarly publication with a tiny circulation - have made him a household name. A household name many curse.

"We ain't monkeys. Humans were created in the image of God, no matter what Mr. smarty-pants naturalist says!" opined Nathaniel B. Forrest, resident of Dissidentville and distant decendant of the great Nathan Barclay, one of the founding fathers of the nation.

Mr. Forrest's views are widespread, and the Stormian Church has found itself riding a tidal wave of anti-Darwin popular opinion, a circumstance which Darwin says grieves him deeply. "I am a religious man. My faith is not shaken by my recent work, but rather is strengthened by the great richness and diversity of God's creation."

The Church, however, has taken the step of declaring Mr. Darwin's new theory heresy, and has threatened him with excommunication should he refuse to recant. Many Stormians, remembering past turmoil over the work of Arrianus Copernicus and Dr. SleepyNewton (whose theories are now generally accepted) hesitate to denounce the "Origin of Species." A high-level government official, who refused to be identified in this article, suggested that Mr. Darwin's work might be "the final nail in the coffin of the Church."

So far, the government has refused official comment on the situation, but it may not be able to stay above the fray. Mr. Darwin's new theory was introduced to the curriculum of the Arashi school system as "a new perspective," according to school board officials. In response, a group known as "The Truth of Frater Ralphus" has declared its intention to file suit.

The battle lines have been drawn. Emotions are running high. Could it be that our nation, having no real wars to fight, might seek to create a war - a civil war, no less - over a naturalist's book? Stay tuned, dear readers, for a "Tempest in a Teapot."

(c) Arashi Tribune



Thougts, comments? Don't worry, NYE & vmxa1, I'll work you guys into the Hoover story.

-Arrian

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I like it, Arrian

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Terrificus Splendificorum, Arrian!

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Alrighty then, I'll post it.

-Arrian

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Responded to ND that we're agreeing on the deal. As it seems there is a bit of language confusion, I kept it less clear then I normally would. For instance, Trip's interpretation of their message suggest they will give 100 gold now, and 1000 gold in 3 turns. I first read that they would give 1000 in total. 1100 gold is better then 1000, so in case they want to do that, fine by me!

Also, it's better that we don't hammer these guys with details, they don't seem to like that. So give them some options in when they wat to pay, I'm pretty sure they will not backstab us.

I did include a little proposal for a lux trade (basically 10 gpt for silks), that shouldn't be too much, but I doubt they'll go for it. But we can try, anything more wouldn't make a lux deal profitable for us (or at least not at this instance, later is something else. If we want to have hospitals without cathedrals, we better have enough lux)

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Damnit, I was rather proud of that story. Practically no response on the main forum.

Waaaa.

Ok, I'm better now.

-Arrian

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Arrian, don't let it get to you, that's normal with stories. Everyone reads them, nobody comments... If you want, I'll post a in the main forum as well, but I already gave you one here You should know it's appreciated!

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No, no, I'm not talking about Stormian responses - I know some of you guys liked it (you've already said so). I was hoping others would like it, though.

I thought I got in a good dig at Master Zen later in the thread, too.

-Arrian

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When you say main forum, which do you mean? If you mean the demo part, forget it. Most do not read that thread and in any others, you may expect most won't catch on.

I thought it was so good that I was thinking you must be very good at your job.

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Thanks, vmxa1, but there isn't a lot of creative writing involved in my job. And honestly, given the amount of time I spend on 'poly...



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