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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Drogue
I think the Economist summed up how was of thinking like this best. He thinks out load when asked questions. It seems quite obvious to me, reading what he said, that he's trying to say that while al-Sadr is a terrorist, the fact he has many supporters and sympathisers means we can't just ignore him. Yes, the fact he condone's violence against American troops is bad, but there are a lot of Iraqi's that don't want American troops there, and it is a popular voice. It can't just be ignored.
He did not say Hamas was a 'sort of' terrorist organisation, he said a newspaper that has started to align itself with Hamas is a sort of terrorist alignment. It's not the newspaper of Hamas, it's not directly terrorist, so he is correct, it is a sort of terrorist alignment. As for the term legitimate, he meant the voice of the newspaper, and then clarified that while legitimate was probably a little strong a term, it can't be ignored, and it does have support among groups of Iraqi's. Also, IIRC, it was considered legitimate until recently, before it aligned so much with Hamas.
He has flip-flopped, but when asked in an interview for a quick answer, he may think about it during the interview and realise the exact wording he used may not be the most appropriate, so go and further explain what it. It's just semantics. I wouldn't call this flip-flopping, I would call saying one thing to one group, then another thing to another group, as he did during the primaries, flip-flopping.
I support the closing of a newspaper that calls for attacks on US and Iraqi peacekeeping troops, but I agree with Kerry that you can't just ignore al-Sadr and hope his followers go away or see sense. What they've done is despicable, but ignoring them makes them more likely to attack again, to get out attention. |
I agree completely.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:35
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he didnt say sadr was legitimate. he said the voice of the people who dont like america is legitimate.
are the green party not a legitimate voice in america? how about peta? fringe groups that dont reflect the majority arent illigitimate.
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Capt Dizle
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Clearly Kerry doesn't understand that its not his job to think. His managers will let him know when he has an opinion. But, no, he has to react like he is actually going to try to be a real candidate. You'd almost swear the man thinks he'll actually govern the country if elected.
If this guy hadn't been born into money and married into even more, he'd be working in some small town as a building inspector.
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Tripledoc
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The speech of Hizbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah on the tenth day of Ashoura-13-3-2003
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It is incumbent upon all Muslims to highly appreciate the position of the church every where in the world, the Catholic church and the Orthodox church and the position of the Syrian and Lebanese cardinals. The Muslims must appreciate those positions because the importance of those positions is that they strip off the religious title of the Bush war who he said wants to realize the whishes of the bible. Through this position the church aimed at saying that your war is neither legitimate nor moral and has nothing to do with the principles of the Bible. I advise all Muslims and the orators to avoid any word that might harm the feeling of the Christians. |
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While, the US listed the group as a terrorist organisation, the government in Beirut declared it a national resistance movement. |
This means to me that the Orthodox church, the Catholic church, British State television, The Lebanese State and as formerly mentioned the European Union, and by refering to the UN condemnations of Israeli aggression, even the World Community, - does not dissociate itself from the legitimate right of Hezbollah to fight an armed struggle to maintain and preserve Lebanese sovereignty.
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Sovereign
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I predict democracy will collapse in this century.
Reasons:
1. People are becoming more and more ignorant of the voting system.
2. People don't do anything to fix corruption and greed in politics.
3. Only two parties (Dems and Reps) that can garner the votes to win. No chance for third, fourth, fifth, etc. parties to compete for 50% of the vote.
4. Millionaires will always be elected in a democracy due to advertising and puppy-dogging with the media.
There are several more, but can't think how to put them down here.
This is why I believe a Technocracy government from Civ: Call to Power would be much better than a democracy.
Why?
Government run by skilled technicians. This will result in more focus on domestic matters, improve infrastructure, improve technology, etc.
No more lame ass millionaires or wealthy leaders.
Give leadership to the people who ACTUALLY know what they're doing. Leadership for people who ACTUALLY has talents in domestic and technological issues.
I can list a lot of benefits of this kind of government.
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13-04-2004 20:54
Che.
Clinton was the first nonloser in 18 years and he's looking more and more like a fluke then a purposeful choice. 
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